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yeah, I meant physical optional parts on the sprue for pose variation, like intercessors or assult intercessors...

you know so you can buy multiple kits and they dont all look like the exact same posed five guys over and over...

*edit*
having just watched the vid it seems they are comparing it to regular intercessor frame in terms of posability and options but I'll reserve any true jugement once Ive seen the sprue itself...

there may indeed by other arm poses for the kit just not as yet shown in the pics but somehow i doubt it...
if this is true they will be less versitle than regular intercessor models but then, someone was referencing these as to how the terminators are to tactical marines and thats just as likely true there;
tactical vs termies - tactical much more variation possible than termies so based on that:
intercessor vs heavy intercessors - the same as above?

its logical...

ho-hum... time will tell but its fun to discuss and surmise nonetheless

The best way I've found to avoid stuff like this is collect for an edition, not just for your army.

I started collecting WHFB 6th edition Vampire Counts, Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos with a few bits and pieces of Empire and Orcs/Goblins for variety. No need to enter any hobby rat races when your hobby is all-encompassing!

also for a laugh I had a look on ebay to see if anyone was doing pre-orders for bits from the kit, like the intercessors:
£48. 48 funting quid? for five models are you kidding me?
£9.60 a model.
what the hell is this all about?
I don't understand why the price should be higher for the tabletop value.
the kit is almost surely etb and the models use +/- the same amount of styrene as say intercessors or assault intercessors.
enough of this smeg, something must be done...

Anyone who is surprised by this has not been following along lately. When this was all announced a while back, there were a ton of people glibly saying "I'll just pick up the parts I want from Ebay at a discount"

Of course there were an equal amount of people saying "No, you won't". Welcome to Pandemic pricing.

As far as what GW is charging for the actual box set .... the only thing that surprises me about their pricing model anymore is that there are still people who get surprised by their pricing model ...

 osjclatchford wrote:

also for a laugh I had a look on ebay to see if anyone was doing pre-orders for bits from the kit, like the intercessors:
£48. 48 funting quid? for five models are you kidding me?
£9.60 a model.
what the hell is this all about?
I don't understand why the price should be higher for the tabletop value.

*Laughs in T'au*

Kroot hounds and krootox would like to have a word.

a fat guy wrote:
The best way I've found to avoid stuff like this is collect for an edition, not just for your army.

I started collecting WHFB 6th edition Vampire Counts, Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos with a few bits and pieces of Empire and Orcs/Goblins for variety. No need to enter any hobby rat races when your hobby is all-encompassing!

You have no idea how brutal this sounds to someone who can afford one army. If the way to play GW games is to invest in to 3, and build up other 2, then it eliminates a ton of people from ever starting any of the GW games. Who knows maybe it would even be for the ebst.

 Kanluwen wrote:
These are multipart kits. This is the full Heavy Intercessor kit.

GW confirmed this when they announced Pariah Nexus.

Huh, so they'll officially have no melee options for the Sergeant. That's lame then.

For me, heavy ints were just more marine bloat that took away from other releases, they really werent needed. Therefore I didn't even consider them necessary for my marine armies. Dark Angels? Nah, just give me terminators. Raven Guard? Sorry, mine's phobos themed. Deathwatch? Maybe, just maybe I'll do an Indomitor KT, but there is no urgency.
Easiest pass ever at the price, but if I did grab it, would be cake to sell everything but the heavies for a good price.

 bullyboy wrote:
For me, heavy ints were just more marine bloat that took away from other releases, they really werent needed. Therefore I didn't even consider them necessary for my marine armies. Dark Angels? Nah, just give me terminators. Raven Guard? Sorry, mine's phobos themed. Deathwatch? Maybe, just maybe I'll do an Indomitor KT, but there is no urgency.
Easiest pass ever at the price, but if I did grab it, would be cake to sell everything but the heavies for a good price.

If you've already bought three different marine armies, I'd say GW has already won, even if you 'pass' on these five models.

I do think you're vastly overestimating how easy it will be to sell the rest of this tiny box. The secondhand market is going to be glutted


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@Slayer- why would the Sergeant have melee options? Their datasheet is bare of anything beyond rifle swapping, and they don't even have a base CC weapon listed. Regardless of multipart or not, they were never going to have melee toys in their box- this was obvious on the page back in October.

Karol wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
The best way I've found to avoid stuff like this is collect for an edition, not just for your army.

I started collecting WHFB 6th edition Vampire Counts, Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos with a few bits and pieces of Empire and Orcs/Goblins for variety. No need to enter any hobby rat races when your hobby is all-encompassing!

You have no idea how brutal this sounds to someone who can afford one army. If the way to play GW games is to invest in to 3, and build up other 2, then it eliminates a ton of people from ever starting any of the GW games. Who knows maybe it would even be for the ebst.

If you're not interested in just painting the pretty miniatures, Warhammer absolutely is the single worst wargame you can possibly get into if you're hard up on cash and don't have any miniatures for anything.

Historical wargames are generally cheaper and you've got a massive wealth of systems you can play with the exact same minis if the edition changes or you get sick of them.

Skirmish games are MUCH MUCH cheaper, similar model quality, and are easier to store, play, modify, etc, and you can generally collect multiple factions for the price of GW minis.

and small scale army-level battle games are again, way cheaper, faster to paint and build, and proportionally much more of the hobby tends to be about zero or ultra low cost scratchbuilding of terrain and little dioramas for your teeny tiny troopers.

And almost no wargame in existence has anywhere near the same level of rules churn warhammer does.

the_scotsman wrote:

Karol wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
The best way I've found to avoid stuff like this is collect for an edition, not just for your army.

I started collecting WHFB 6th edition Vampire Counts, Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos with a few bits and pieces of Empire and Orcs/Goblins for variety. No need to enter any hobby rat races when your hobby is all-encompassing!

You have no idea how brutal this sounds to someone who can afford one army. If the way to play GW games is to invest in to 3, and build up other 2, then it eliminates a ton of people from ever starting any of the GW games. Who knows maybe it would even be for the ebst.

If you're not interested in just painting the pretty miniatures, Warhammer absolutely is the single worst wargame you can possibly get into if you're hard up on cash and don't have any miniatures for anything.

Historical wargames are generally cheaper and you've got a massive wealth of systems you can play with the exact same minis if the edition changes or you get sick of them.

Skirmish games are MUCH MUCH cheaper, similar model quality, and are easier to store, play, modify, etc, and you can generally collect multiple factions for the price of GW minis.

and small scale army-level battle games are again, way cheaper, faster to paint and build, and proportionally much more of the hobby tends to be about zero or ultra low cost scratchbuilding of terrain and little dioramas for your teeny tiny troopers.

And almost no wargame in existence has anywhere near the same level of rules churn warhammer does.

The flipside is it doesn't matter how fun or affordable other wargames are; if no one plays them in your local area you can quite easily be left with a decision between 40k or nothing.
I live in a major city, and I've still had to branch out in half a dozen other games to reach the point where I can regularly play without having to resort to 40k.

Haha resin printer go brrr

the_scotsman wrote:


If you're not interested in just painting the pretty miniatures, Warhammer absolutely is the single worst wargame you can possibly get into if you're hard up on cash and don't have any miniatures for anything.

Historical wargames are generally cheaper and you've got a massive wealth of systems you can play with the exact same minis if the edition changes or you get sick of them.

Skirmish games are MUCH MUCH cheaper, similar model quality, and are easier to store, play, modify, etc, and you can generally collect multiple factions for the price of GW minis.

and small scale army-level battle games are again, way cheaper, faster to paint and build, and proportionally much more of the hobby tends to be about zero or ultra low cost scratchbuilding of terrain and little dioramas for your teeny tiny troopers.

And almost no wargame in existence has anywhere near the same level of rules churn warhammer does.

yeah, i almost regret starting 40k since i discovered infinity. Much more balanced, much cheaper armies, much more fun to paint models (but thats subjective).

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These are multipart kits. This is the full Heavy Intercessor kit.

GW confirmed this when they announced Pariah Nexus.

Huh, so they'll officially have no melee options for the Sergeant. That's lame then.

One of the reasons why HIntercessors aren't really that good over other troops, is that for their cost they suck in melee, and they don't have an easy way to fix that.
If they had access to melee weapons, they would probably become a tad too strong.

Spoletta wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These are multipart kits. This is the full Heavy Intercessor kit.

GW confirmed this when they announced Pariah Nexus.

Huh, so they'll officially have no melee options for the Sergeant. That's lame then.

One of the reasons why HIntercessors aren't really that good over other troops, is that for their cost they suck in melee, and they don't have an easy way to fix that.
If they had access to melee weapons, they would probably become a tad too strong.

Uh not really. It isn't like Intercessors are SUPER STRONG in melee as much as it is the Sarge with a melee weapon holding them up.

I just don't think a Heavy Intercessor Sarge with a Power Sword or even a Power Fist is gonna throw anyone off.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Uh not really. It isn't like Intercessors are SUPER STRONG in melee as much as it is the Sarge with a melee weapon holding them up.

I just don't think a Heavy Intercessor Sarge with a Power Sword or even a Power Fist is gonna throw anyone off.

you say that as if Intercessors weren't better at melee than some melee armies' melee specialists.

Yeah, Im just in it for the models these days.
just see any of my threads in this forum.
haven't gamed for years but love to paint and convert. I do like one-off models but really fancied using primaris to build a truescale army.
and no, Im not up on things like how much is going for these days. I figured that was self evident by my comments in the first post! lol

I've not bought/got any new kits other than bitz from bitzbox for about a year and a half even then it was a kit bought for me by my sister. (atalan jackals)
my models I've been doing are back-log from about two/three years ago when I bought a load of primaris junk to convert my spaceshark collection.
all my most recent guard (even the last of that was painted, like, 9 months ago) have been from anvil industries and again, bought over a year ago now back when I was healthily earning.
so yeah the plague-exploitation-price-hike has been a bit of a shock to the system...

edit
oh yeah, I did buy a bladeguard ancient from ebay but that was about £6 with postage so I didn't bat an eyelid at a character model at that price...

If it hurts more,

Individual retail is probably going to be something like 42+36.5+21+21=120.5.
So £95 is a decent discount. (Could maybe see the flayed ones being 31.50).

Whether... any of this is reasonable is another question - but it is the reality of things.

Not sure why people are quoting eBay pricing when the box isn't even up for pre-order? Listings up right now don't accurately reflect real pricing for split boxes. Or did I miss something?

nope, you've not missed aything, this is all speculative and noting more than a pointless exercise in surmisation.
in truth it started out as little more than me 'throwing my toys out of my pram' at the increase in prices since I last bought stuff a couple of years back but the can of worms its opened has surprised me to no extent!
so interesting to see the varying opinions of all, though. also surprising to see how irite it seems to make some and how meh others are.

it does indeed seem that in retrospect the likely £95 price tag of the boxed set is actually not at all overpriced, now considering al the information given to me. in fact it is actually somewhat of a discount considering the 'expected' price of the seperate kits within.

funny what a couple of years out of the loop can do to ones expectations, eh?

gw is certainly not a charity after all, they are a biz and biz makes money. simple as...


seems the only truth in it is if you want it bad enough you WILL buy it! LOL not a crime that gw will exploit this.if you're so dead against this situation then more fool for complying.
however boycotting it will do little to nothing to change the situation either. you're vote means nothing when someone else says 'feth it i'll buy it'. and fair play to 'em. if you can afford it and don't mind then so be it. if not then thats how it is.

however, THAT. BEING. SAID. its not a crime to have an opinion about it and if you think something is unfair then stand up and say so. just don't expect the world to change.

thats where I stand anyway. I think its a bit rediculous and I've said so. Ive no illusions to what that means to the grand scheme of things but just wondered what anyone else feels about it, if anyhting at all... what can I say? too much time stuck at home..?
theres only so much 40k my mrs. can stand hearing about...

 kirotheavenger wrote:

The flipside is it doesn't matter how fun or affordable other wargames are; if no one plays them in your local area you can quite easily be left with a decision between 40k or nothing.
I live in a major city, and I've still had to branch out in half a dozen other games to reach the point where I can regularly play without having to resort to 40k.

yeah, that is the main problem here. The options are w40k, AoS, historicals of a much smaller scale of models, and infinity. Although the inifnity people are dead serious tournament players,which is not bad per se, but I can't play vs people that could tell me that because I touched a model and left it, its activation just ended.

But I have been thinking about it, and I think there maybe more then grain of truth in it. Maybe GW really does want people to play w40k, aos, kill teams and maybe one or two other their sub games, and that if you spread stuff around you will always have an army which is fun to play somehwere. Of course people have to play those side games in your area in the first place, but I don't think that is a problem in UK. If anything, from what people seem to be telling, is that GW was suprised how popular kill team became.


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 osjclatchford wrote:


seems the only truth in it is if you want it bad enough you'll buy it! LOL

gw is certainly not a charity after all, they are a biz and biz makes money. simple as...

Often you kind of a have to. I mean who is going to buy a set of 9 or more eradictors now, maybe 2-3 months before spring FAQ, and when attack bikes are better. GW shapes the rules in such a way that if you don't get in to the hype bus day one, you often miss it, and there is no fun buying models once their are nerfed. I doubt many RG players are buying centurions this days.

Karol wrote:

yeah, that is the main problem here. The options are w40k, AoS, historicals of a much smaller scale of models, and infinity. Although the inifnity people are dead serious tournament players,which is not bad per se, but I can't play vs people that could tell me that because I touched a model and left it, its activation just ended.

Just so you know, infinity is very much an "intent" oriented game with no gotcha moments. The rules themselves say so. When you plan on moving something, you should simply use a silhouette and tell your opponent your intent.

For example : "I'm moving my unit A so that it sees your unit B but not your unit C and that it stays in cover, tell me how far i need to move it" is a typical Infinity interaction. None of that "oh you moved into range of that unit even if you didnt intent to, feth you i get to kill it now". Its a more competitive game because of how solid and balanced the rules are.

Karol wrote:

yeah, that is the main problem here. The options are w40k, AoS, historicals of a much smaller scale of models, and infinity. Although the inifnity people are dead serious tournament players,which is not bad per se, but I can't play vs people that could tell me that because I touched a model and left it, its activation just ended.

That's not how the Infinity community is, you just like to faux-complain.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Just so you know, infinity is very much an "intent" oriented game with no gotcha moments. The rules themselves say so. When you plan on moving something, you should simply use a silhouette and tell your opponent your intent.

For example : "I'm moving my unit A so that it sees your unit B but not your unit C and that it stays in cover, tell me how far i need to move it" is a typical Infinity interaction. None of that "oh you moved into range of that unit even if you didnt intent to, feth you i get to kill it now". Its a more competitive game because of how solid and balanced the rules are.

Not in Poland it isn't. The blown back about not being an intent game was so big here, that little me, who knows nothing about infinity and nothing about its rules, got to hear long tirades about how Spanish folk did Polish judges, or mods, wrong, because they blocked them from publishing their anti intent articles on special forums. It was a huge thing, because after that changes to game happened which some people didn't like. I mean how different infinity in Poland is, maybe shown by the fact, that I, an non infinity player, know the concept and the term Kurwaspam.

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Just so you know, infinity is very much an "intent" oriented game with no gotcha moments. The rules themselves say so. When you plan on moving something, you should simply use a silhouette and tell your opponent your intent.

For example : "I'm moving my unit A so that it sees your unit B but not your unit C and that it stays in cover, tell me how far i need to move it" is a typical Infinity interaction. None of that "oh you moved into range of that unit even if you didnt intent to, feth you i get to kill it now". Its a more competitive game because of how solid and balanced the rules are.

Not in Poland it isn't. The blown back about not being an intent game was so big here, that little me, who knows nothing about infinity and nothing about its rules, got to hear long tirades about how Spanish folk did Polish judges, or mods, wrong, because they blocked them from publishing their anti intent articles on special forums. It was a huge thing, because after that changes to game happened which some people didn't like. I mean how different infinity in Poland is, maybe shown by the fact, that I, an non infinity player, know the concept and the term Kurwaspam.

Kurwaspam is just a type of listbuilding that polish people were known for (basically horde lists) and since "kurwa" is the most known polish word, its a term that was created to speak about a certain list type. There might have been people in poland that wanted the game to become a "gotcha" game like 40k but were shut down from trying to push this way of playing since that goes against what Corvus Belli wants their game to be : a tactical wargame that rewards skill instead of tricks and bad sportsmanship.

And i don't know what change you're talking about, infinity has always been that way, its nothing new

please keep it cordial guys...
lets not get to heated on an off topic thing here.
thats really not my desire for this thread...

 osjclatchford wrote:
please keep it cordial guys...
lets not get to heated on an off topic thing here.
thats really not my desire for this thread...

we're not getting heated?

but yeah, we did start being topic adjacent.

On topic : i'd wait until we see the official price before passing any judgment but yes, 40k is gettign more and more expensive by the day. Its why i stopped giving money to GW for a while now, there is better alternatives out there for wargame and even playing 40k without giving money to GW is possible.

ok perhaps I misread where it was going... still tis indeed abit offtopic...

in response about alternate models.
yeah anvil industries and victoria minis allowed me to make a great guard army with the inclusion of necromunda nd gsc weapons arms and heads here and there.
to me 3rd party is the best way to get good guard models these days. cadians have their limitations and thos catachans NEED updating now... at least up to the standard of the hwt's and command squad...

Karol wrote:

Not in Poland it isn't. The blown back about not being an intent game was so big here, that little me, who knows nothing about infinity and nothing about its rules, got to hear long tirades about how Spanish folk did Polish judges, or mods, wrong, because they blocked them from publishing their anti intent articles on special forums. It was a huge thing, because after that changes to game happened which some people didn't like. I mean how different infinity in Poland is, maybe shown by the fact, that I, an non infinity player, know the concept and the term Kurwaspam.

Sounds like you're spreading more lies about the Infinity community and Poland again. Nobody stopped anyone from publishing "anti-intent" articles.

Again, you come off as a non-Pole making an account to satirize Poles within the wargaming community in a racist manner.

right, thats officially heated.
not wanted so, I'm calling in the mods to lock the thread now.
everything to be said is said.

well done...

Per request OP, locking.