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I actually think the Predator would be a good match for Astartes, assuming the Astartes is the invader on Predator (yautja) turf.

My reason being that it seems Preds, when shown on the hunt on Earth, don't actually use all their species' technological advantage.

It's like a deer hunter vs seal team 6. Same species, but one is being purposefully limited for sport, and the other is using every advantage.
   
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Although you obviously mentioned it, you're definitely underrating Wolverine's healing aspect. I'm honestly not too familiar with Wolverine's comic appearances, so I can't say exactly what he's gone through without dying, but I know it's a lot. Deadpool, though, has the same healing factor as Wolverine and has walked off a nuke, and he doesn't even have the indestructible endoskeleton. Wolverine could definitely take on the average tactical squad without being incapacitated, as long as there weren't any psykers around. You're probably right on Iron Man, though, at least in his pre-2010's comics depictions.


Deadpool was cursed by Thanos so he literally cannot die. It's not his healing factor that's saving him. Wolverine definitely can die - though he tends to get resurrected via one MacGuffin or another.

I'd say Wolverine has a fair shot against a single Astartes at close quarters. But an Astartes is basically Captain America ++ in terms of strength, speed and reflexes. More than one, he's in big trouble. At range, he's lost, he loses all the time to ranged attackers if he can't sneak up on them.




   
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 John Prins wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:

Although you obviously mentioned it, you're definitely underrating Wolverine's healing aspect. I'm honestly not too familiar with Wolverine's comic appearances, so I can't say exactly what he's gone through without dying, but I know it's a lot. Deadpool, though, has the same healing factor as Wolverine and has walked off a nuke, and he doesn't even have the indestructible endoskeleton. Wolverine could definitely take on the average tactical squad without being incapacitated, as long as there weren't any psykers around. You're probably right on Iron Man, though, at least in his pre-2010's comics depictions.


Deadpool was cursed by Thanos so he literally cannot die. It's not his healing factor that's saving him. Wolverine definitely can die - though he tends to get resurrected via one MacGuffin or another.

I'd say Wolverine has a fair shot against a single Astartes at close quarters. But an Astartes is basically Captain America ++ in terms of strength, speed and reflexes. More than one, he's in big trouble. At range, he's lost, he loses all the time to ranged attackers if he can't sneak up on them.





I may be incorrect, but I remember the comic with the nuke being pre-Thanos (about 07 or so?). The logic they went with is that there was at least one atom of Deadpool left, which enabled his to regrow. The healing factor is proportional to damage and all that. I'm also somewhat positive that Wolverine has survived impacts of a similar caliber anyway.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
That is, unless we're really stressing the whole "home field advantage" thing, since if the Jedi is able to get within melee range then the Marine is as good as toast.

Unless Ceramite is anything like Beskar, or like...



Ceramite doesn't need to be like Beskar. Assuming the Jedi is the size of a regular human then stabbing a Space Marine with a lightsaber would barely hurt the marine. Maybe if the Jedi stabbed the Space Marine in the heart or in the head it could do some serious damage but anywhere else it would just be a minor inconvenience. Also, let's remember that a lightsaber's diameter is smaller (I assume) than a soda can and then remember the size of a Space Marine. The lightsaber is even more harmless if we use a Primaris Marine. The Jedi would have to be extremely lucky to A) dodge all the bullets and B) actually cut the Space Marine. Considering the Space Marine probably won't be cut too seriously as Jedi fighting styles tend to primarily go towards the chest (in the movies at least, can't show decapitations to the kids) all the Space Marine would have to reach up to grab the Jedi and squeeze, then splat! no more Jedi. Several Jedi could probably take a Space Marine down quickly but one-on-one, not a chance.


Seriously disagree. Jedi don't normally thrust with the saber, they slash, and we know that it can delimb and cut opponents in two. Jedi also have access to force push (either disarming the marine or knocking them down/about), choke/crush (yes, even Luke used it), and can be incredibly swift in short bursts as well as other abilities (force lightning and others). Their main issue would be in dodging the marine's bolter fire - can they stop/deflect the bullets (ala Kylo Ren stopping the blaster bolt) to get close enough and if a bolter round connects with a lightsaber can the explosive concussion affect the Jedi? In melee, a marine without a power weapon would be at a disadvantage - the lightsaber could hack non-protected weapons (combat knife, chain sabre) in half, and cut bolters/bolt pistols in half if not simply "disarm" the marine. Non-jedi masters would probably not be a match for a marine's martial skills, but a good chop from a lightsaber would likely cut the marine deeply - not likely an instantly fatal blow (unless decapitating) considering the marines enhanced physique, but would easily put them at the Jedi's mercy.

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I think every on-screen fatality from a lightsaber has been a stab with the exception of Dooku. Although I imagine that's because it's a lot less violent than cleaving someone in twaine.

We also saw in the Phantom Menace that light sabers need to spend some effort working their way through a thick steel door.
I imagine the thermal shielding on Power Armour was create similar issues and resist a quick flick.

Plus, if a light saber could stop bolt rounds, a saavy Astartes wluld just shoot the floor and rely on the frag effect to kill or mail the Jedi instead.

A Jedi Vs Space Marine would all hinge on what the Jedi can do with the force.
The force in the 2003 mini series? That Astartes is toast.
   
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I want to see the fight between an army of stormtroopers and an army of guardsmen.

Not a single shot hits the target, yet simultaneously the battle is a stalemate with 98.7% casualties on both sides.

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No Mass Effect? I can see the N7 commando being able to go toe to toe with a Marine. They would not be able to be as proficient in close combat but their weapons, shields, and Biotic powers would certainly grant an edge (or if tech, drones and tech power). I personally see Marines being equivalent to a very upgunned and uparmored Krogan. Extremely tough enemies for sure and deadly in close quarters but not insurmountable.

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
No Mass Effect? I can see the N7 commando being able to go toe to toe with a Marine. They would not be able to be as proficient in close combat but their weapons, shields, and Biotic powers would certainly grant an edge (or if tech, drones and tech power). I personally see Marines being equivalent to a very upgunned and uparmored Krogan. Extremely tough enemies for sure and deadly in close quarters but not insurmountable.


I'm basing my thoughts on how effective a Marine is based on the YouTube series that shows them attacking a force on a traitor ship. Based on this interpretation, a Marine is larger, faster, and more lethal than a Krogan. As stated, the level of insanity available to a Marine by their weapons, armour, training, and sheer power is truly ridiculous. Most folks agree that even Master Chief would lose to a Space Marine, and Master Chief is way stronger, tougher, and armed than an N7 operative. I'd love for Mass Effect to be able to put up something against a Space Marine one-on-one, but they can only do so once you start bringing war engines against them.

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I want to see the fight between an army of stormtroopers and an army of guardsmen.

Not a single shot hits the target, yet simultaneously the battle is a stalemate with 98.7% casualties on both sides.
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As for star wars, i think any imperial force lead by grand admiral thrawn would kick the empire's ass consistently. He would work out their psychology, see it's glaring weaknesses and tie them in knots.

Ad for predators, i think the deadliest enemy a predator could face in 40k would be spacewolves. Predators are used to two kinds of enemies. Predatory animals and intelligent, technology using people.

Spacewolves are one of the few forces that likely combine the deadliest aspects of both pretty perfectly.

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 Yarium wrote:
 generalchaos34 wrote:
No Mass Effect? I can see the N7 commando being able to go toe to toe with a Marine. They would not be able to be as proficient in close combat but their weapons, shields, and Biotic powers would certainly grant an edge (or if tech, drones and tech power). I personally see Marines being equivalent to a very upgunned and uparmored Krogan. Extremely tough enemies for sure and deadly in close quarters but not insurmountable.


I'm basing my thoughts on how effective a Marine is based on the YouTube series that shows them attacking a force on a traitor ship. Based on this interpretation, a Marine is larger, faster, and more lethal than a Krogan. As stated, the level of insanity available to a Marine by their weapons, armour, training, and sheer power is truly ridiculous. Most folks agree that even Master Chief would lose to a Space Marine, and Master Chief is way stronger, tougher, and armed than an N7 operative. I'd love for Mass Effect to be able to put up something against a Space Marine one-on-one, but they can only do so once you start bringing war engines against them.


Im not arguing their speed or strength of course! I'm more inline with not understanding how lethal the weapons in 40k or Mass effect really are. In either case we have them shooting at in universe items that we are not completely sure what they are made of. What is the strength of their armor and shields? For all we know an N7 operative could be immune to all conventional modern firearms and explosives and the Mass Effect weapons are insanely powerful. The same thing also applies to an astartes who is easily killed or is completely invulnerable depending on the situation. Whats to say a Black Widow sniper rifle wont be able to take a Marine's head off? Or whats to stop a biotic from floating a marine and just shooting him up. Also whats to stop an engineer from shutting down the tech systems of a marines armor and weapons? There's a lot of variables in there.

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Jedi are like Miamoto Musashi's 5th ring: they no longer need the sword, because their sword is in their mind.

They don't have to deflect bolter shots. The marines will just forget they wanted to shoot the Jedi in the first place.

Similarly, Marines vs. Fremen from Dune: stay out of range until the marine's rhythmic steps attract a worm. Fight over.
   
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Battletech:

Elementals vs Marines.

Out of armor, the marine is tougher, likely a bit stronger, and can spit acid.

In armor an Elemental is basically a Terminator with a Jump Pack, a missile launcher, a las cannon, a power claw and a heavy stubber, that can run 54kph.

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I think every on-screen fatality from a lightsaber has been a stab with the exception of Dooku. Although I imagine that's because it's a lot less violent than cleaving someone in twaine.


That's because in SW, cleaving someone in twain isn't actually fatal.
It has happened a few times. Maul and one of the evil Jedi from the Dark Forces/Jedi Academy video games, as I recall. They just gave him a hover platform in place of his hips.

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There is the military augmentation that humanity goes through in the Dahak series. I can't remember what their armor is like, so forgive me (it's been years since I read Mutineer's Moon). Military Augmentation can make a human about as tough and strong as a Marine, though lacks the Black Carapace and multiple organs. They do have warp grenades which pretty much do what vortex grenades do, so it could be a close thing.

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I see this a lot by those who watched the movie or tv shows but never read the original book.

In the book the Mobile Infantry utilize battle suits in combat that would make a Shas'O jealous. They are stronger, faster, and more well armed. They could beat an Astartes because of all that gear, but they also use peewee nukes like a Devastator uses their Missile Launchers.

Though, outside of those suits, yeah, they're pretty much Guardsmen or Scions, at best.

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Battletech:

Elementals vs Marines.

Out of armor, the marine is tougher, likely a bit stronger, and can spit acid.

In armor an Elemental is basically a Terminator with a Jump Pack, a missile launcher, a las cannon, a power claw and a heavy stubber, that can run 54kph.

An Elemental's run speed is 10.8 kph in their suit (normal for a human, actually), but they can jump at 32.4 kph. Their armor is ablative not deflective. Their laser weapon is closer to being in the Str 5 range with a 90m range, and the missile is weaker (though, they can fire 2 bursts of 2 shots with it). And if they are carrying a Heavy Stubber, they aren't carrying that laser weapon. Their other weapon would be like an auto-carbine. They would be carrying a Power Claw, though.

And as impressive as an Elemental is, a Marine is far better reinforced internally. At best, I would say the Elemental's armor doesn't provide much in the way of Save, but greatly increases the Wound capacity of the Elemental. Off hand, I'd probably put the Elemental suit in to being a high number (low effective) Save, but adds like 4 Wounds to the model. Roughly speaking, think a tough Ogryn who was armed like a Crisis Suit, and as skilled as a Marine.

It might actually be a close thing depending on how lucky that Marine is with their armor.

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
Im not arguing their speed or strength of course! I'm more inline with not understanding how lethal the weapons in 40k or Mass effect really are. In either case we have them shooting at in universe items that we are not completely sure what they are made of. What is the strength of their armor and shields? For all we know an N7 operative could be immune to all conventional modern firearms and explosives and the Mass Effect weapons are insanely powerful. The same thing also applies to an astartes who is easily killed or is completely invulnerable depending on the situation. Whats to say a Black Widow sniper rifle wont be able to take a Marine's head off? Or whats to stop a biotic from floating a marine and just shooting him up. Also whats to stop an engineer from shutting down the tech systems of a marines armor and weapons? There's a lot of variables in there.


Yup, without doing tests, we couldn't come to any real answers. But since it's all made up, I wouldn't hold my breath . However, there are some things that we can use to approximate things! For one, Mass Effect, especially the first one, takes the time to show us the force that is applied from a biotic's attacks. "Throw" at the highest tier in ME1 is listed as providing 1250 Newtons of force against a target. This is like having 281 lbs. applied to you in a single G of gravity. It doesn't give the speed at which this "hits" you at, so I'm assuming that you suddenly feel the weight of a large man hit you. That's pretty devastating. But against a Marine, I don't think it's substantial enough to stop them. I believe I remember seeing that a Marine weighs about 1 ton. Just did some Google-fu... ( https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/5uuet0/how_much_does_a_space_marine_weigh/ ) and I find that they weigh about 1.37 tons while in power armour. So yeah, they're not being shifted by this attack, and this is the Master level of Throw, which deals more damage that a single shot from almost any weapon in ME1 outside a rocket or good sniper gun/shotgun with sufficient skill.

Body Armour in Mass Effect still provides protection from their weapons in that setting, as the weapons' ammo recoil is still listed as being the primary restriction on weapons (the projectiles are NOT being fired at relativistic velocities), and "shields" designed to slow kinetic projectiles, but basic objects in that setting do not have shields. So while a gun will be shot out of someone's hand by the Commander, we don't see Mass Effect weapons as often imparting substantially more impact to a target than conventional weaponry. This leads me to believe that standard N7 weaponry, while likely being more powerful and having greater armour penetration characteristics than today's firearms, are still largely comparable to standard firearms, which are just not sufficient at all to deal with a Space Marine.

EDIT: As for hacking Space Marine systems - I have no idea if the technologies are compatible enough to make hacking a thing that can even happen in 40k to a Space Marine's armour. It may just not have data inputs that are in any way exposed to the way that an Omni-tool can send/receive data packets.

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 kirotheavenger wrote:
I think every on-screen fatality from a lightsaber has been a stab with the exception of Dooku. Although I imagine that's because it's a lot less violent than cleaving someone in twaine.

We also saw in the Phantom Menace that light sabers need to spend some effort working their way through a thick steel door.
I imagine the thermal shielding on Power Armour was create similar issues and resist a quick flick.

Plus, if a light saber could stop bolt rounds, a saavy Astartes wluld just shoot the floor and rely on the frag effect to kill or mail the Jedi instead.

A Jedi Vs Space Marine would all hinge on what the Jedi can do with the force.
The force in the 2003 mini series? That Astartes is toast.


It’s also worth noting that when Mando is duelling Gideon, we see the Beskar glow upon sustained contact with the Darksaber.

Now, caution on conclusion - we know the Darksaber was fashioned by the first Mandalorian Jedi. But, we don’t know (well I don’t know) for certain that beyond the blade colour and shape whether it’s any different to a light saber. But if it is (and we see it handily blocking Ahsoka’s lightsabers), then it would seem one of its properties is rapid heat dispersal - certainly the glow dull very quickly after contact is ended.

If that is the secret to its resilience (blasters and lightsabers being predominantly heat based), then it stands to reason that alloys and other materials could be made to replicate it. We know Power Armour contains ceramite, but not how effective that would be in this situation.

I think the main issue for anyone fighting an Astartes is sheer Black Knight Syndrome. You can cut his arm off all you like, but he’s still going to have at you. Going up against a foe with that sort of resilience has to be worrying.

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Ah I'd forgotten about Maul's death.
That's the other problem with fiction
Mail was supposed to be dead, but he turned out to be such a popular character they waved their magic stick to bring him back. They did the same for Boba Fett.

We get a reasonable impression oh how deadly Mass Effect weapons are, as they're depicted hitting unarmoured humans on numerous occasions and they're not dissimilar to modern bullets.
Although that's a video game, and neither bolters nor Astartes come anywhere close to their in-lore performance in any game so maybe that's not accurate.
   
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The answer to who would win between an Astartes and the doom guy or the halo guy or the space jedi or the predator is just whether the story is being written by someone who is a fanboy of the space marine or a fanboy of the other thing. They'll imagine themselves in the shoes of whichever they're the fan of, and they'll jerk themselves raw while imagining how awesomely their thing will dispatch the thing that other people who are fans of the wrong thing like.

People are already doing it, in this thread, immediately, because that's all these discussions ever are.

Its like that hilariously stupid show that they had on the """"""""""""""""""""""""""History""""""""""""""""""""" channel called 'THE ULTIMATE WARROR" or something, where a couple of amazing early oughts dudebros use fake computer stuff to 'scientifically prove' who would win in a fight between two combatants like ninjas pirates KGB agents samurai etc and then they pay hilariously overacting larpers to re-enact what they imagine the fight would go like. There is no aspect of that show that isn't absolute peak cringe content.


Hit the nail on the head with that one. Also props on recognizing that the "History" channel is a bit of a joke at times. But really I think we can all agree that the real victor of any battle between sci-fi franchises would be the entire Warrick clan from the TV show Ewoks. (JK, Those of you who know what I'm talking about feel free to vomit now)

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Reminds me of an old adage... youth and enthusiasm always loses to old age and treachery.

For what it's worth, bear in mind that space marines can live for 1000's of years. Not even master yoda lived that long. Which is to say that the average space marines likely has vastly more actual combat experience than anything else we're talking about. They are fanatic's and train around the clock. And they are freaking huge. Quantity is a quality of all of its own. There is lot of marine meat crammed into a single suit of armor.

Predators? I think they loose pretty easily - the marines have all kinds of fancy imaging that would help detect it in advance. Marine probably has faster reflexes.

Aliens? Considering droves of these were mowed down by worse-than-guard UMC marines I don't think it would stand a chance in hell against a marine.

The terminator - I don't think the it's gun is strong enough to do much to the marine, and the marine definitely has better reflexes. A few direct bolter hits followed up by just ripping the things head off would do the trick.

Jedi - I think this starts to get a bit more interesting, but ultimately I'm not sure it's an applicable comparison. The Jedi essentially have psychic powers, so you'd probably need to be comparing a jedi to a librarian (I think the average jedi would lose that quite resoundingly). A marine vs a normal jedi (assuming they can't magically crush the marine in our story) is probably a close fight. Give the marine a power sword (and assume it can stop a lightsaber) and I think it's a no brainer marine win. But without the power sword, this is where I think the 1000's of years of martial training would pay off in landing a blow first (marine's favor). I'm also not convinced that a light saber could be used to stop a bolter round without the bolter round exploding. Jedi don't typically wear armor so it's going to be a rough day if that happens.

Once we start talking about super heroes and the like (wolverine, iron man, etc.) I think we've probably surpassed the average marine by a decent margin. But step the marine up to an HQ-level unit with some relic-level wargear, re-rolls on invulnerable armor saves and there might be a serious fight to be had.

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
No Mass Effect? I can see the N7 commando being able to go toe to toe with a Marine. They would not be able to be as proficient in close combat but their weapons, shields, and Biotic powers would certainly grant an edge (or if tech, drones and tech power). I personally see Marines being equivalent to a very upgunned and uparmored Krogan. Extremely tough enemies for sure and deadly in close quarters but not insurmountable.

Upgunned? The bolter is hilariously weak compared to just about any ME universe weapon. It's essentially a 0.76mm grenade with rocket engine. Rockets being one of the slowest methods of sending projectiles at a short range compared to even modern gun propellant.
It's slow, it's got low rate of fire (or else the previous round explodes the next one due to exhaust) and it requires direct hit to explode (mass reactive shell) meaning it can't even be used for area saturation like IRL grenade launchers. It's a cumbersome RPG-7 essentially. You can, theoretically, sidestep a rocket much easier than a rifle round, and if your sci-fi includes any sort of active defenses, they'll swat the thing with ease. Marines are like SW stormtroopers- armed for terror duty, but if it fails, they must rely on the real guns (plasma/melta/HB/lascannon) to do the job.
   
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Bolters are dual propulsion - it's thrown out the barrel by a propellant exactly like a normal bullet (although at low pressure to minimise recoil), then the rocket motor kicks in.
They're more like a Javelin or a Rocket Assisted Projectile artillery uses than an RPG-7.
They're also fairly rapid fire, comparable to a regular assault rifle.
I also assume you meant 0.75", or ~19mm, which is definitely going to leave a mark considering it'll penetrate armour first.
   
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i did confuse my inches and my metrics, sorry about that. But yes, it's thrown out by a small charge to let it clear the barrel before igniting it's engine, that doesn't impart any velocity worth mentioning, meaning all the actual "speed" comes from the tiny rocket it packs, as i recall the 3rd ed bolter "manual". For that same reason there's no way they've got higher rof than a normal rifle firing in full-auto, just physically wouldn't work given the slow projectile speed.

Anyway, 5,56mm round has roughly 900m/s velocity, ME mass-accelerator weapons like the assault rifle fire rounds at (if I recall correctly, it;s been a while) about 5000 m/s. That's going to punch through a marine and his five buddies behind him and possibly cook the flesh it passes through. The shields are the only reason anyone lives through ME firefight.

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i did confuse my inches and my metrics, sorry about that. But yes, it's thrown out by a small charge to let it clear the barrel before igniting it's engine, that doesn't impart any velocity worth mentioning, meaning all the actual "speed" comes from the tiny rocket it packs, as i recall the 3rd ed bolter "manual". For that same reason there's no way they've got higher rof than a normal rifle firing in full-auto, just physically wouldn't work given the slow projectile speed.

Funny because that's not what we see in the cutscenes in any DoW game or the Space Marine movie. Bolter rounds being slow would also completely invalidate them having armor-piercing tips which we know they have.

If you want to dunk on the bolter you should try looking at what they do rather than the technology behind them.

Anyway, 5,56mm round has roughly 900m/s velocity, ME mass-accelerator weapons like the assault rifle fire rounds at (if I recall correctly, it;s been a while) about 5000 m/s. That's going to punch through a marine and his five buddies behind him and possibly cook the flesh it passes through. The shields are the only reason anyone lives through ME firefight.

As for ME weapons sending anything that fast, where do we see actual evidence of that? In both cutscenes and gameplay, we don't see or hear the kinds of effects a hypersonic bullet would have, not on the terrain, the air, or their targets. There's also the problem of the energy densities required to accelerate a bullet to those speeds, the issues with how quickly the bullet would bleed off the speed due to atmospheric drag. If ME actually had hypersonic small arms they would be blinding and deafening to the user, have ludicrous power requirements, and dump most of their energy into the air in front of the muzzle.
   
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TangoTwoBravo wrote:
They are all in trouble against Batman if he has his utility belt.


Especially since Batman will rip the power source out of the marine, immobilizing him in his own armor (a trick a knowledgeable jedi might pull).

Also, I agree a Librarian would probably munch a Jedi in a mind battle, but a common marine likely wouldn't be able to be mind controlled by most jedi.

And unfortunately, as much as I love xenomorphs, marines would mulch them with little effort - though the acid blood might become problematic. On the other hand, if a predator could keep his cloak up, he'd probably waste the marine from range (but unlikely in melee) - unless the marine had an auspice device because he suspected the predator to be nearby.

Out of all these franchises, I think the one that would fare the worst is Star Trek. Short of maybe the Hirogen, a marine would whup anything short of a Q-like entity in that universe.

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I think the Space Marine would be able to totally own WALL-E, Johnny 5, and probably Chappie.

He would in turn be owned by Gypsy Danger, Getter Robo, Voltron, and maybe Soundwave.

His ability to take on Seven of Nine, Number Six or EDI is dependent on the amount of saltpeter that has been added to his rations.
   
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Vancouver, BC

Cronch wrote:
ME handwaves literally everything with Eeezo. FTL, shields etc, throw eezo at it and it's done.

That doesn't actually work and even if Eeezo could negate every downside I brought we'd still expect to see massive overpenetration of objects hit by stray bullets in firefights, seeing as we don't see this we can safely say that they don't work the way you claim they do.

Also friendly reminder, DoW, cool as it is, is not canon, just like GW's mobile app games aren't canon.

The movie is. Try to refute that one champ.
   
 
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