Switch Theme:

Do chaos space marines ever use shotguns?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Slaanesh Veteran Marine with Tentacles




Which again... the concept of the bolter round is actually plausible. There were functioning prototypes of the same concept as the bolter in real life. It was just decided that a gun that shoots expensive as hell ammo that is difficult to manufacture that really doesn’t do anything better than what already exists is a failed concept. Real life bolter style weapons apparently worked like gal. But the concept is pretty conceivable especially with 20k years R&D

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut 
   
Made in gb
Sagitarius with a Big F'in Gun




Bath

 solkan wrote:
Lexicanum's explanation. Which of the GW sources are they quoting?

The Boltgun is a weapon introduced for a game started 25 years ago, and has been described by people writing for the game who have no idea what would actually be plausible for how it would work. This is the explanation for everything wrong with the description.

Disclaimer: Next, ask "Where does a Space Marine keep their spare ammo?" Or object to the Imperial Guard and their "Just throw your ammo in the fire to recharge" lasguns.

Edit: For the record, the citation on Lexican is the third edition rulebook, page 60. That book was published in 1998. What do you think thirteen years of Handwavium decay did to that rulebook filler page? If someone had a plausible, defensible explanation of how bolters worked, you'd find it in one of the RPG books.

But, still. These people can make an ammo pack for a lasgun that you can throw into a fire to recharge. So why don't you think they can make practical gyrojet ammo? It's both just a machine to make ammo maintained by the fancy dudes.



im looking at that exact page of that rulebook now (yes, i am that old...) what it describes is not a shaped charge weapon but more like a kenetic pentrator with a small HE charge (ie Ap-HE, not HEAT). they are also 0.75 calibre (19mm for those of us in the metric world), so a them having a semi-viable HE effect is not out of the question. Its possible the "mass reactive" element is some form of proximity fusing ability, to assist in wounding people in cover.
   
Made in gb
Battleship Captain




It's also that gyrojet weapons are most useful in environments like zero g. Which is a realistic issue for space marines but not for military forces here on earth.

Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
 
   
Made in us
Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp




Deathwatch routinely use shotguns.
   
Made in hk
Longtime Dakkanaut





Theoratically, anything a modern Space marine chapter has, chaos space marines should have. Because if a modern chaptor turns traitor, they don't specifically dump or destroy all of their newer tech weapons or stuff.

So, it never made sense to me why CSM do not have snipers, or attack bikes, or speedsters, or drop pods or whatever space marines have. If a chapter turns traitor, they do so with all of their gear. They don't selectively dump their gear. And just because they turned traitor marine doesn't mean overnight they forgot how to use a drop pod or a sniper rifle...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/05/06 11:08:31


 
   
Made in gb
Servoarm Flailing Magos




United Kingdom

Eldenfirefly wrote:
So, it never made sense to me why CSM do not have snipers, or attack bikes, or speedsters, or drop pods or whatever space marines have. If a chapter turns traitor, they do so with all of their gear. They don't selectively dump their gear. And just because they turned traitor marine doesn't mean overnight they forgot how to use a drop pod or a sniper rifle...


There's been numerous in-universe reasons given - grav plates on land speeders degrade rapidly with prolonged warp exposure, traitors often lack the specialist (non-marine) units to recover drop pods after the battle (and can jump out of warp portals so they don't really need them), etc.
Some of the original reasons given, such as man-portable multi-meltas & attack bikes being post-HH inventions, have been reconned but others are still in the fluff.
   
Made in hk
Longtime Dakkanaut





A sniper rifle is lower tech than a multi melta or plasma gun. Its a projectile weapon. Pretty sure its hard to justify that somehow CSM magically lost the ability to use or have sniper rifles.

An attack bike is just a bike with an additional part housing an additional person in it. CSM has bikes and use them fine, but somehow, an attack bike is impossible for them? It just doesn't make sense.

And what about storm shields? Those things were made to last. The minute all the storm shield terminators turned traitor, the first thing they did was to throw away their storm shields ? lol

By the way, not all chaos space marines live in the warp all the time. Some become pirates but stay in real space. It doesn't mean just because your chapter turned traitor, it has to automatically go and live in the eye of terror. The universe is a big place.
   
Made in gb
Servoarm Flailing Magos




United Kingdom

Eldenfirefly wrote:
And what about storm shields? Those things were made to last. The minute all the storm shield terminators turned traitor, the first thing they did was to throw away their storm shields ?
Storm Shields are post-HH tech, although it's now stated they were in limited use with the Imperial Fists during the Seige.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
By the way, not all chaos space marines live in the warp all the time. Some become pirates but stay in real space. It doesn't mean just because your chapter turned traitor, it has to automatically go and live in the eye of terror. The universe is a big place.
Yes, but the CSM book represents a generic or average force - do you really want it to just be a supplement for the Loyalist Codex?
   
Made in us
Slaanesh Veteran Marine with Tentacles




First of all, most chaos space marines are either fresh traitors or made from scratch outside of the emporium, and they also loot and plunder-they should have easy access to any post heresy tech that is easy to maintain the emporium has.

And cataphractii and Tartarus armors are preheresy tech space marines lack for some reason but loyalists do not...

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut 
   
Made in us
Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord




Inside Yvraine

 Gert wrote:
Bolters are a dime a dozen in the galaxy
Absolutely not. Not only are bolters extremely rare but they're notoriously high maintenance. Marines require dedicated teams of serfs in order to keep them working properly.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/05/06 22:43:15


 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





OKC, OK USA

Eldenfirefly wrote:
A sniper rifle is lower tech than a multi melta or plasma gun. Its a projectile weapon.


A projectile weapon that fires a high intensity laser to burn through armor before the needle round hits home to inject the poison. Marines are NOT just lugging around traditional rifles, they're carrying around a very tech heavy machine that requires more cleaning and upkeep than more common weapons like meltas and plasmas.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/05/06 22:59:25


You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie
The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was 
   
Made in gb
Jealous that Horus is Warmaster





 BlaxicanX wrote:
Absolutely not. Not only are bolters extremely rare but they're notoriously high maintenance. Marines require dedicated teams of serfs in order to keep them working properly.

You know CSM have armoury slaves, Warpsmiths, Dark Mechanicum cults, and Deamon Forge Worlds, right?
Astartes, SoB, SoS all have Bolters as standard weaponry and there are multiple types suited for human use in the AM and Inquisition. Hell, if Necromunda Enforcers get them as standard issue and the gangs can either manufacture or purchase Bolters then I hardly think rare is the correct term to apply. Obviously excluding Necromunda gangs, CSM will have no problems looting the battlefield after a successful engagement. Bolt rounds are bolt rounds and they fit the same no matter who is holding the gun.
CSM aren't renegades dying on their feet through lack of supplies, some of them are but the more organised forces i.e. the Legions and major Renegade Warbands like the Red Corsairs, are a serious threat capable of manufacturing their own weaponry.
If a CSM's weapon starts to get corrupted by the Warp then there could even be the possibility of not even needing to perform maintenance, just tell it is a nice deamon weapon and pray it doesn't eat your hands.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2021/05/06 23:37:07


 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




macluvin wrote:
First of all, most chaos space marines are either fresh traitors or made from scratch outside of the emporium, and they also loot and plunder-they should have easy access to any post heresy tech that is easy to maintain the emporium has.

And cataphractii and Tartarus armors are preheresy tech space marines lack for some reason but loyalists do not...

I've been calling for a singular profile for a while but whatever.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K Background
Go to: