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angryboy2k wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Why did I think the upgrade sprue for the Cadians could be ordered on it's own today? Look like it is only available in the new Cadian box.


Does anyone know what the price difference is between the old and new box?


I think the old Cadian shock troop box was around $34 direct from GW. At $10 more I suppose its still more cost efficient than buying Space Marine plasma/melta sprues or buying the old metal plasma/melta IG duo.

edit ~ Also, did anyone actually manage to put an order in for Gaunt's Ghosts that *wasnt* dated for October?

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 GrosseSax wrote:
angryboy2k wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Why did I think the upgrade sprue for the Cadians could be ordered on it's own today? Look like it is only available in the new Cadian box.


Does anyone know what the price difference is between the old and new box?


I think the old Cadian shock troop box was around $34 direct from GW. At $10 more I suppose its still more cost efficient than buying Space Marine plasma/melta sprues or buying the old metal plasma/melta IG duo.

edit ~ Also, did anyone actually manage to put an order in for Gaunt's Ghosts that *wasnt* dated for October?


$45 for a box of 10 infantry is horrifying pricing when that particular army runs their infantry in platoons of up to 30.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
angryboy2k wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Why did I think the upgrade sprue for the Cadians could be ordered on it's own today? Look like it is only available in the new Cadian box.


Does anyone know what the price difference is between the old and new box?


In the UK they've gone up from £22.50 (IIRC) to £29 - but the box does have 2 upgrade sprues in it.


They’ve gone from, “they look like crap, but at least they’re cheap”, to now just being, “they look like crap”.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
 GrosseSax wrote:
angryboy2k wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Why did I think the upgrade sprue for the Cadians could be ordered on it's own today? Look like it is only available in the new Cadian box.


Does anyone know what the price difference is between the old and new box?


I think the old Cadian shock troop box was around $34 direct from GW. At $10 more I suppose its still more cost efficient than buying Space Marine plasma/melta sprues or buying the old metal plasma/melta IG duo.

edit ~ Also, did anyone actually manage to put an order in for Gaunt's Ghosts that *wasnt* dated for October?


$45 for a box of 10 infantry is horrifying pricing when that particular army runs their infantry in platoons of up to 30.


I don't disagree at all. But lets be real, if you were to be building a Guard army prior to the inclusion of this additional sprue, how would you be adding plasma and meltas to your squads and how much would it cost? More than $15.

   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
angryboy2k wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Why did I think the upgrade sprue for the Cadians could be ordered on it's own today? Look like it is only available in the new Cadian box.


Does anyone know what the price difference is between the old and new box?


In the UK they've gone up from £22.50 (IIRC) to £29 - but the box does have 2 upgrade sprues in it.


They’ve gone from, “they look like crap, but at least they’re cheap”, to now just being, “they look like crap”.


Yep - the GSC Brood Brothers Squad is £25 and has a HWT in it (but I'm expecting it to increase in the annual rise).
   
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What, you expected anything less? GW can't get a solid release out if it would save their lives...

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Didn't Gaunt use a power sword he got from that hive city for most of the books? It's been years since I read any of them but I thought that most of the time he had that special hive royalty weapon.
   
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 warboss wrote:
Didn't Gaunt use a power sword he got from that hive city for most of the books? It's been years since I read any of them but I thought that most of the time he had that special hive royalty weapon.


Yeah after necropolis, this set is tied into the new book which takes place before then

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 JoeRugby wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Didn't Gaunt use a power sword he got from that hive city for most of the books? It's been years since I read any of them but I thought that most of the time he had that special hive royalty weapon.


Yeah after necropolis, this set is tied into the new book which takes place before then


Ah, ok and thanks. I didn't realize they went back in time with the new book as admittedly I haven't followed BL for years.
   
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IG commissars are like the Primaris Lt., every few months there is a new sculpt. I wish the new taniths include more characters not represented before, we already had Corbec, 2 sculpts in fact if you count the BL release, Larkin too, wish they were replaced.
   
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 warboss wrote:
 JoeRugby wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Didn't Gaunt use a power sword he got from that hive city for most of the books? It's been years since I read any of them but I thought that most of the time he had that special hive royalty weapon.


Yeah after necropolis, this set is tied into the new book which takes place before then


Ah, ok and thanks. I didn't realize they went back in time with the new book as admittedly I haven't followed BL for years.


No problem dude

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 Big Mac wrote:
IG commissars are like the Primaris Lt., every few months there is a new sculpt. I wish the new taniths include more characters not represented before, we already had Corbec, 2 sculpts in fact if you count the BL release, Larkin too, wish they were replaced.


What are you talking about. They are in no way like Primaris Lts at all in release model.

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They got Severina Raine 2 years ago, and before that the last new one was in 2014. There have been at least 10 primaris lieutenants in a much shorter timeframe. If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.
   
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Billicus wrote:
They got Severina Raine 2 years ago, and before that the last new one was in 2014. There have been at least 10 primaris lieutenants in a much shorter timeframe. If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.

They also got two Start Collecting sets bundling that 2014 Commissar in...meaning it sticks out more in people's minds.

And that's not even going off short stories/novels or even the bloody codices that prominently feature Commissars, an auxiliary unit in the grand scheme of things for Guard, on the covers.

Joke works better than you'd think...just not about sculpts

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Billicus wrote:
They got Severina Raine 2 years ago, and before that the last new one was in 2014. There have been at least 10 primaris lieutenants in a much shorter timeframe. If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.


alright, lets list out the sculpts made post Rogue Trader era:
Gaunt(this upcoming version)
Gaunt(metal/finecrap version)
Gaunt(BL version)
Severina Raine
Commissar(current plastic)
LE female metal Commissar
Lord Commissar(metal version)
Commissar reading book(metal version)
Commissar Boltgun pointing(metal version)
Commissar charging(metal version)
Steel Legion Commissar
LE DKoK Death Rider Commissar
2x DKoK Commissar
BL Ciaphas Cain
2x Commissar Yarrick(5th and 7th Ed)
3x 3rd Ed Commissars(point out by Dysartes)

that's 20 already without counting the tank commander Commissars/easily kit bashed ones from Baneblade kit etc/3rd party.


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Over an almost 30 year timespan, yeah, versus >10 Lieutenants in <4 years. Show us where on the doll the commissars touched you.

every few months there is a new sculpt.


Even by your own count, there's on average 1 every 18 months or so, max.

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 Big Mac wrote:
Billicus wrote:
They got Severina Raine 2 years ago, and before that the last new one was in 2014. There have been at least 10 primaris lieutenants in a much shorter timeframe. If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.


alright, lets list out the sculpts made post Rogue Trader era:
Spoiler:
Gaunt(this upcoming version)
Gaunt(metal/finecrap version)
Gaunt(BL version)
Severina Raine
Commissar(current plastic)
LE female metal Commissar
Lord Commissar(metal version)
Commissar reading book(metal version)
Commissar pointing(metal version)
Commissar charging(metal version)
Steel Legion Commissar
LE DKoK Death Rider Commissar
2x DKoK Commissar
BL Ciaphas Cain
2x Commissar Yarrick(5th and 7th Ed)
Valhallan Commissar


that's 18 already without counting the tank commander Commissars/easily kit bashed ones from Baneblade kit etc/3rd party.


If we're talking "post-Rogue Trader" as our timeframe, then you've missed the wave of three that came out to support Codex: Imperial Guard in 2nd edition (one of whom gained as mask to become the SL Commissar during 3rd edition). Axe & hand flamer, power fist & power sword, and boltgun & power sword.

Not sure which of the Commissars you're referring to as "pointing" - do you mean the guy aiming his bolt pistol, with a swagger stick behind his back?

Yarrick gained his resculpt to support Codex: Armageddon during 3rd edition, and aside from being ported to the Worst Resin Known to Mankind, hasn't seen a resculpt since.

There's never been a "Valhallan Commissar" model released - you're either talking about conversions, or people painting the 2nd edition Valhallan Lieutenant model to look like a Commissar. To date, only the Armageddon Steel Legion, Tanith First & Only and Death Korps of Krieg have had Commissar models who have "gone native" to one degree or another.

And if we're talking model releases, there is no point including kitbashes or third part sculpts, now, is there?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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I have to say that I love the new models, and may hope to get a set if they come available in the Fall. As for the guard pricing, I am just happy to have already collected what I wanted from Cadia. If Valhallans get a release someday, that may however get me over the hump of 5usd per infantry dude. That is a dollar per point. Holy cow, maybe that rip in the warp is real after all, a black money sucking pit centreren under Nottingham.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Billicus wrote:
They got Severina Raine 2 years ago, and before that the last new one was in 2014. There have been at least 10 primaris lieutenants in a much shorter timeframe. If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.

They also got two Start Collecting sets bundling that 2014 Commissar in...meaning it sticks out more in people's minds.

And that's not even going off short stories/novels or even the bloody codices that prominently feature Commissars, an auxiliary unit in the grand scheme of things for Guard, on the covers.

Joke works better than you'd think...just not about sculpts


It doesnt work and never did.


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Also, even if they are auxiliary, far fetching more of them than Marines and just as striking.

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I remember seeing the Ghosts back in metal painted pretty decently in a magazine back in the day. I have to say I'm very impressed by the level of detail they've put into these plastic sculpts. Most of my minis are from the early 2000s and these blow them out of the water.

I don't play Guard but I'd like to pick up a set just for modeling purposes when they come back in stock. If sales are good hopefully they'll do another set of characters later in the series, or hell a Guard upgrade sprue for Tanith.
   
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Billicus wrote:
Show us where on the doll the commissars shot you.

There, that’s better.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:


They’ve gone from, “they look like crap, but at least they’re cheap”, to now just being, “they look like crap”.


I think they're among the best models ever released by GW. I was tempted to buy them myself, even if I don't own any AM model and don't plan of start collecting AM. They're the first models since early 2000s that had me tempted to buy them just because they're cool, I haven't bought anything just to paint them since 3rd-4th editions stuff.

Price is definitely too high though, and I'll probably skip them, sadly. There's also a new wave of orks on the horizon so....


 
   
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 Blackie wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:


They’ve gone from, “they look like crap, but at least they’re cheap”, to now just being, “they look like crap”.


I think they're among the best models ever released by GW. I was tempted to buy them myself, even if I don't own any AM model and don't plan of start collecting AM. They're the first models since early 2000s that had me tempted to buy them just because they're cool, I haven't bought anything just to paint them since 3rd-4th editions stuff.

Price is definitely too high though, and I'll probably skip them, sadly. There's also a new wave of orks on the horizon so....


Blackie, are you talking about the Cadians or the Ghosts?

From context, I'm pretty sure MonkeyBallistic is talking about the former rather than the latter.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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beast_gts wrote:

In the UK they've gone up from £22.50 (IIRC) to £29 - but the box does have 2 upgrade sprues in it.


According to description on GW website the box comes with only one upgrade sprue.

I don't know what to think of the upgrade sprue. Some of the bits are cool but I am disappointed that there is only one "hostile environment" head. The whole upgrade feels like a trainee sculpts that were decided to put into production instead of a planned release. I have nothing against Cadian models per se but this feels like missed opportunity to recut them into sprue of ten models with less wasted space.

I may buy a box of repacked Shock Troops out of curiosity but if I remember corretly, the mold lines were quite bad 18 years ago and I can't see how they would be any better now.

I am glad to see Gaunt's Ghosts released in plastic even if I don't find the models particularly exciting. I hope we see plastic Colonel Scaeffer's Last Chancers one day!

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jullevi wrote:
beast_gts wrote:

In the UK they've gone up from £22.50 (IIRC) to £29 - but the box does have 2 upgrade sprues in it.


According to description on GW website the box comes with only one upgrade sprue.

Yep - my bad! (I scanned the description, saw "two flamers, two grenade launchers" and assumed 2 sprues, but they're the original weapons...)
   
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The fact they upped the cost of the Cadians for the upgrade sprue as much as they did ? Intense and insane, that kit is crazy old and you'd need many copies of that upgrade sprue to make a guard force. I get you can get he cheap 5 man cadian box but you'd still need so many of the 10 man box it doesn't really help you out.

I don't really need it, so I won't be getting ripped off by it but they need to sell the sprue on it's own. I'm not surprised they aren't but they should be.Makes me wonder if they'll end up just upping the box to like 50$ USD and just be done with it. I can't see new guard players getting all these to start a force, not with how many of them you would need to run an effective army.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
You can get them from FLGS too.


Maybe. Our guy ordered them, but he was really dubious about it we expected to actually receive them.

 
   
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Make a box of characters...

Or make a box of Tanith troopers you could base an army on.

Oh well.

And amazed you can't get the new upgrade sprue separately, and that they didn't a) scrap the heavy weapon squad box and b) put the heavy weapon team sprue in the Cadian box.
   
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 GrosseSax wrote:
I think the old Cadian shock troop box was around $34 direct from GW. At $10 more I suppose its still more cost efficient than buying Space Marine plasma/melta sprues or buying the old metal plasma/melta IG duo.

Pack of 5 plasma/melta guns cost 10$ from GW, though. Unless you really hate resin, it's better deal.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
The fact they upped the cost of the Cadians for the upgrade sprue as much as they did ? Intense and insane, that kit is crazy old and you'd need many copies of that upgrade sprue to make a guard force. I get you can get he cheap 5 man cadian box but you'd still need so many of the 10 man box it doesn't really help you out.

Yup, the ETB cadian box + resin special weapons make this set look like a total garbage. GSC guard is also a much better deal. Really, this sprue should have been free or very close to it, like original DW boxes. Alas, GW saw too many idiots defending uncalled for price hikes, SC deletions, and praises of the new, gak patrol boxes for it to ever happen again...

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Make a box of characters...

Or make a box of Tanith troopers you could base an army on.

Oh well.

I suspect this box came out of BL casting time allowance, not GW one, so it had to be a character set. Just like GW refused to release DW primaris HQ, then for extra insult BL released the ugly Ventris model with multiple DW markings (but no rules for DW, LOL) for extra jacked up price

Billicus wrote:
If you're making a joke, I'm not sure it's a good one.

It's perfect one, because every single Lt model at least was for different SM faction/SM chapter/had variant loadout. Contributed something new. Almost every single of 40+ commissars was redundant, boring spam, no variant gear, no different regiment, no nothing, same-same cookie cutter copy paste. Ok, Raine at least was female, so there's one justified release
   
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Check your preorders for the Ghosts models. Mine are now showing shipping 6/19 instead of in October!
   
 
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