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 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

Either look up legends, if it's not there I'll write my own datasheet for the model. GW's job is to give me rules to play with my models, if GW fails at their task and wants to force some stupid gak on me, I'll do it myself, just like everybody else in my gaming group does. Since GW went a little crazy on scrapping datasheets recently we're more and more moving towards one page rules anyway. It's funny how One Page rules gives you more options on your models on literally one page while GW fails on doing the same on 50 pages.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

ccs wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

Totally agree!
Legends is free, and has full armies. Just the Legends stuff and the free Core rules, boom! Free 40k.

 Blndmage wrote:
Just the Legends stuff and the free Core rules, boom! Free 40k.

Sure, if you want to play a tiny subset of the game where the vast majority of models don't exist and most of the ones that do have rules are long OOP and cost a fortune on ebay I guess it's technically something resembling 40k.


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ccs wrote:
So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.

Until those "rules" become hopelessly out of date because GW did a terrible job of writing them and hasn't bothered to make even basic updates since then. There's a reason hardly anyone allows legends rules in normal games.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So yeah, sometimes solutions just present themselves.

As long as you play space marines with a specific set of models. Sucks to be the rest of us I guess?

ccs wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

Bold of you to assume Legends isn't just a buffer to obselecence.

CadianSgtBob wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So yeah, sometimes solutions just present themselves.

As long as you play space marines with a specific set of models. Sucks to be the rest of us I guess?

Well, the question in the OP is "What do you do with obsolete models?". So, yes, my answer is mostly for a Night Lords army that avoids things like daemon engines and mutants.

But between Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum, Talons of the Emperor, Solar Auxilia, Cults and Militia, and Daemons of the Ruinstorm you can probably find a home for most Chaos/Loyalist Scum models (but not all, unfortunately). But, it absolutely does "suck" for Xenos players, who are going to be stuck in the mess that 40k has become. And I really wish it didn't, because I'd like to get as many people as possible to make the jump to the HH ruleset. It's just that much better, IMHO.

Hang them from the rafters.

ccs wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

My 40k army was Deathwing raven wing. So, from day the first of primaris i knew my time was limited so rather then just slog on with half assed rules, even when dark angles came out, i just abandoned it, went to 30k, never looked back.


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 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

Bold of you to assume Legends isn't just a buffer to obselecence.

This, if your unit went into "Legends" then they are his hospice waiting for death.
If you are playing first born, you were diagnosed with terminal cancer back in 8th and you are just biding your time at this point.

I will paraphrase from the old WFB 6th edition Hordes of Chaos books. If you still have a Marauder Chieftain, call him an aspiring champion instead. Unless it honestly does not fit in the army in any way, shape or form, then use the model that you paid good money for. If it is absolutely not able to fit, then it turns into a display/terrain piece, or a objective marker or something else.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos lost more than just Jump Pack Lords. And Orks losing stuff doesn't mean Chaos losing stuff is ok.

Ironically, orks losing stuff has been ok with a large part of the playerbase.

I wouldn't say it's been "ok" with them. More so the stuff lost has broadly not been massively gameplay altering (you could never, for example, give a warboss a Rocketpack and double their movement), we've gotten used to it over time (we've been taking losses every codex for well over 15 years), and orks are generally pretty robust so far as "counts as" goes.

See, this is the exact thing I was talking about.

Warbikes were taken away from all characters, an upgrade which almost tripples their movement. The warboss literally lost that option and was only returned after a massive gakstorm in social media pointed out that FW had renamed Zhadsnark into "Ork Warboss on Warbike" to get more sales out of them, which forced them to put it into the FW compendium, among with nob bikers.

An no, counts-as is not any more more ok for orks than it is for chaos. If you feel like boarding planks or reinforced rams or KMBs not being available to multiple units despite GW still selling those options in their kits, you absolutely have no right to complain about a single lost option for your chosen, legionnaires or chaos lords. Just put a tentacle on them and it's counts-as, amirite?

CadianSgtBob 806008 11399606 wrote:

As long as you play space marines with a specific set of models. Sucks to be the rest of us I guess?

Tell that to my two twin auto canon dreadnoughts.

TinyLegions wrote:
I will paraphrase from the old WFB 6th edition Hordes of Chaos books. If you still have a Marauder Chieftain, call him an aspiring champion instead. Unless it honestly does not fit in the army in any way, shape or form, then use the model that you paid good money for. If it is absolutely not able to fit, then it turns into a display/terrain piece, or a objective marker or something else.

I look forward to seeing my friends unit of Tempstus Scions or 20 objective markers represented by Rough Riders.

Carry on using them - with agreement.

Proxy occasionally.

So far no problems

Proxies or House Rules for me. I use my Necron Pariahs as Triarch Praetorians.

Play an older, better edition

Isn't the Vindicaire from WH+ basically fit this? I mean it's giant compared to the basic model, so it can literally be LoS'd from anywhere, it has no reason to ever see an actual table. Hence, it's essentially obsolete. In this case, obsolete models become Ebay Fodder or lovingly painted shelf pieces. Or Targets for 1k-2k shooting.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Isn't the Vindicaire from WH+ basically fit this? I mean it's giant compared to the basic model, so it can literally be LoS'd from anywhere, it has no reason to ever see an actual table. Hence, it's essentially obsolete. In this case, obsolete models become Ebay Fodder or lovingly painted shelf pieces. Or Targets for 1k-2k shooting.

Disadvantaged but not obsolete.

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

ccs wrote:
It is really rare that any of my models have ever actually been made obsolete.

I feel like its going to become more common as time goes by.

It will be, next on the chopping block are terminators and Assault marines.

So long they've got Legends rules or such I'm good.
The rest of you? Alot of you are probably 'd. But that's by your own choice so....

Bold of you to assume Legends isn't just a buffer to obselecence.

{shrugs} I don't assume anything. I just get on with playing the game (fill in edition # here: ___) with the rules available for my models. For 9e that means some of those rules are in the Codex, some in a supplement/some warzone type expansion book, some are in the FW Compendium, some are in WD, & others are in Legends. Makes no difference to me.
And some, like my Aquilla Strongpoint, I couldn't tell you where they're actually from - I'm just trusting that Wahhapedia pulled it from a valid source. No one I play with has cared though, so....

 Kommisar wrote:
Play an older, better edition

Yes! Or proxy/convert rules wise. With permission

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Kommisar wrote:
Play an older, better edition

Yes! Or proxy/convert rules wise. With permission

Or keep the existing rules and use the models as count as. Easiest way to do it.

 Kommisar wrote:
Play an older, better edition

But what about all the new things since 4th Ed? Like entire factions.

 Blndmage wrote:

 Kommisar wrote:
Play an older, better edition

But what about all the new things since 4th Ed? Like entire factions.

Counts as another force… knights? Super heavy tanks. Yada…

Great solution - instead of losing rules for some models, just lose the rules for dozens units and armies. Brilliant!

 Jidmah wrote:
Great solution - instead of losing rules for some models, just lose the rules for dozens units and armies. Brilliant!

Is anything of value being lost here? Gold marines should never have been a faction in the first place and knights don't work with the scale of the rest of the game. I guess GSC have an argument for existing but TBH that's easily solved by letting Tyranids take IG allies.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Either look up legends, if it's not there I'll write my own datasheet for the model. GW's job is to give me rules to play with my models, if GW fails at their task and wants to force some stupid gak on me, I'll do it myself, just like everybody else in my gaming group does. Since GW went a little crazy on scrapping datasheets recently we're more and more moving towards one page rules anyway. It's funny how One Page rules gives you more options on your models on literally one page while GW fails on doing the same on 50 pages.

This is a good solution, it's a tabletop game, if you have a regular gaming group then do whatever the hell you want to.

Legends are a solid option if they're available, but even these are becoming obsolete (eg, Uriah Jacobus for my Sisters is garbage compared to a normal priest).

You can always just proxy them as another unit. My 2 poor, converted Iron Priests on Thunderwolf would likely just be used as Wolf Lords or fancy Thunderwolves. I've got enough models that I can just choose to shelve a unit, I've got several models that have never hit the tabletop anyway.

You could always just house rule old models, and although I understand this is not an option for tournament games, I bet you would be surprised how many pick-up game opponents won't mind, especially if the army is fluffy.

I'm currently trying to fit a 1st ed ork army into the new rules and finding troop and weapon options and detachment slots rather limiting. I'll still field Ogryns using the current AM datacard and points but if my opponent wants a 'legal' army they can just count-as Nobz.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Isn't the Vindicaire from WH+ basically fit this? I mean it's giant compared to the basic model, so it can literally be LoS'd from anywhere, it has no reason to ever see an actual table. Hence, it's essentially obsolete. In this case, obsolete models become Ebay Fodder or lovingly painted shelf pieces. Or Targets for 1k-2k shooting.

For one if it can't be seen can't see either so useless. I also doubt it's bigger than knight so since good board has big enough terrain to hide knight i doubt assasin hard.

And if your letting characters be freely shot you should read rulebook again. You'll find pleasant surprise

CadianSgtBob wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Great solution - instead of losing rules for some models, just lose the rules for dozens units and armies. Brilliant!

Is anything of value being lost here? Gold marines should never have been a faction in the first place and knights don't work with the scale of the rest of the game. I guess GSC have an argument for existing but TBH that's easily solved by letting Tyranids take IG allies.

GSC had a list at that time, it was in the Citadel Journal.

CadianSgtBob wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Great solution - instead of losing rules for some models, just lose the rules for dozens units and armies. Brilliant!

Is anything of value being lost here? Gold marines should never have been a faction in the first place and knights don't work with the scale of the rest of the game. I guess GSC have an argument for existing but TBH that's easily solved by letting Tyranids take IG allies.

If custodians have no place in game neither has ig.