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 Adeptekon wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Maybe the found a galaxy full of hot rocks

Basking away the ages... I still want to know who's in Andromeda.

Mostly Kevin Sorbo, with a side of Lexa Dolg.

The tyranids are from another galaxy and only seem to be the tip of the iceberg. Best not to know what’s in the other galaxies maybe

As stated Tyranids are intergalactic. The question is why did they leave? Did they win in their galaxy and there was nothing left to consume? Or did somehting make them leave?

They are connected to the warp too, so its safe to assume the warp is intergalactic, but it has pockets.

It could be that AoS is just one other galaxy? Thats why the chaos gods have a presence in AoS too?

I think it all comes down to artistic interpretation.

We only know for certian the Milky way events. Anything beyond that feel free to link it up yourself

 Adeptekon wrote:
Basking away the ages... I still want to know who's in Andromeda.

Why though? I'd get wanting to know about the Ghoul Stars or the edges of the Milky Way but Andromeda is 2.5 million light-years away from the Milky Way. Anything happening there has no bearing on anything in the 40k setting.


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 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
It could be that AoS is just one other galaxy? Thats why the chaos gods have a presence in AoS too?

AoS is very much another universe entirely.
Things like the Old Ones and the Gods being in both realities are holdovers from when WHFB and 40k were more connected. It's believed that of the reasons for AoS was to get rid of the idea that the Old World was a planet within the Warp or the Milky Way as ever since GW has made it clear the two are separate.

 Gert wrote:

 Adeptekon wrote:
Basking away the ages... I still want to know who's in Andromeda.

Why though? I'd get wanting to know about the Ghoul Stars or the edges of the Milky Way but Andromeda is 2.5 million light-years away from the Milky Way. Anything happening there has no bearing on anything in the 40k setting.

Oh, but it will.... it will...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy#Collision_with_the_Milky_Way

 Gert wrote:
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 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
It could be that AoS is just one other galaxy? Thats why the chaos gods have a presence in AoS too?

AoS is very much another universe entirely.
Things like the Old Ones and the Gods being in both realities are holdovers from when WHFB and 40k were more connected. It's believed that of the reasons for AoS was to get rid of the idea that the Old World was a planet within the Warp or the Milky Way as ever since GW has made it clear the two are separate.

I forget where I ytube I heard this, but supposedly AoS was made separate so the lore could be free of being tied to a 40k future hence they can do whatever they want and it doesn't affect/change 40k, but I have no idea.

 Adeptekon wrote:
Oh, but it will.... it will...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy#Collision_with_the_Milky_Way

You understand that by the time that event occurs, every single species within the Milky Way will have been dead for an unfathomable amount of time right? It's as inconsequential to the 40k setting as it is to us right now.

 Gert wrote:

 Adeptekon wrote:
Oh, but it will.... it will...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy#Collision_with_the_Milky_Way

You understand that by the time that event occurs, every single species within the Milky Way will have been dead for an unfathomable amount of time right? It's as inconsequential to the 40k setting as it is to us right now.

Except for Big E?

Nothing mortal can live that long. Unless the Emperor ascends beyond a physical being he will eventually die.
Just to put it into some mathematical context, the War in Heaven between the Old Ones and the Necrontyr/Necrons took place 60 million years before M41. That is 2.4% of the lowest estimated time and 1.5% of the highest estimated time it will take for Andromeda to collide with the Milky Way. The most devastating and destructive war to ever grace the Milky Way is a pinprick event in terms of universal events.
There is a reason sci-fi media tends to avoid multi-galaxy settings and that is because the vastness of space renders any sort of event largely inconsequential.

So there could be some closer possibilities, as the lore stands humanity may need to leave the galaxy too.

The closest galaxy to the Milky Way is still 25 thousand light-years away.
Ignoring the sheer amount of time it would take even one ship to get there, the Imperium isn't leaving the Milky Way. The human race believes it is the rightful ruler of the Milky Way and it isn't going to give that right up to bugs, robots, mushrooms, or space elves just because things are looking a little grim. Humanity will rule the galaxy or die trying, there are no other options.

Of course not, not without a revolution

Okey dokey, we're finished here.
And just a reminder, don't use the Fandom Wiki. It's absolute garbage. Lexicanum is far superior if you must use an internet source.

 Gert wrote:
1 - There isn't a reason to go intergalactic because there is stuff in the current Galaxy.

This. The Imperium only has 1 million worlds. The current estimate of planets in the galaxy is 100 billion. So the Imperium only holds dominion of 0.001% of the planets in our galaxy.

It's why there's lore about potential undiscovered empires existing between the Imperiums borders. It's also why the Imperium continues to rediscover worlds in the current setting, as well as colonise new worlds.

Jarms48 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
1 - There isn't a reason to go intergalactic because there is stuff in the current Galaxy.

This. The Imperium only has 1 million worlds. The current estimate of planets in the galaxy is 100 billion. So the Imperium only holds dominion of 0.001% of the planets in our galaxy.

It's why there's lore about potential undiscovered empires existing between the Imperiums borders. It's also why the Imperium continues to rediscover worlds in the current setting, as well as colonise new worlds.

Is that 1 million inhabited worlds, I imagine that they have dominion over many worlds that simply fall into the territory but are useless hunks of rock with low resources and now atmosphere. Those would be counted in the 100 billion.

However is still might only take us to 0.003%.

Could be up to 400 billion planets in the galaxy, or even more than that if you include minor celestial bodies like asteroids and moons.

 Gert wrote:
Being a God doesn't require you to have always been a God.
For 40k we have the Emperor going from being a Psyker of immense power to a force of nature able to influence events across the galaxy after 10k years of belief and power-ups. The Chaos Gods weren't Gods until they attained a certain level of power either, prior to that they were just warp entities.
Horus as well was worshipped by many as an ascended God thanks to the power he attained during the Heresy.

You also don't have to personally worship/believe in a particular god to call it one.

The Egyptians and Greeks were contemporary civilizations with different pantheons(we'll ignore the potential shared origins of some of them). A Greek who traveled to Egypt wouldn't have thought "Oh these losers, worshipping fake gods that aren't real" or said to a fervent priest of Isis "Well actually..." He would still have referred to the Egyptian gods as gods. They're just not his gods.

Even we today still refer to the Greek and Egyptian pantheons as gods. It is a label, not a statement of endorsement.

In Christianity, the fallen angels still refer to God as God. Their rebellion may have made them enemies, but they still know he is and call him the all-powerful creator of the universe.

Of course, there is a difference between God and god. God, fully capitalized, is used to refer to an omnipotent supreme deity. god refers to lesser deities, usually as part of a pantheon of multiple gods who are all worshipped by their own sects of believers but can also have lots of overlap. A pantheon may have a God and also a bunch of lesser gods, it might also not have a God but only gods. God is a god, but not all gods are God.

 Adeptekon wrote:
Ok let's settle this, since I sourced that from the fandom. Is there or is there not a reference to man being made in the image of the God Emperor?

No. He is a divine leader and savior, not a creator of the universe/man.

Now the Imperial Creed almost certainly uses language saying that humanity should strive to remake themselves in the image of the Emperor, and may refer to the Emperor influencing current events/people directly in the same way that Christianity says that God does. But this doesn't imply the Emperor is a omnipotent deity that always existed in that same state. There will of course be variations of the Imperial cult in unlimited flavors, some of which might claim he always existed and created the universe etc... but that would be a divergent cult, not the official mainstream Imperial Cult. And frankly the Imperium and official Imperial Cult wouldn't care a bit about such trivial matters.

 Adeptekon wrote:
Of course not, not without a revolution

Spoiler:

The Webway once spanned the galaxy, even stretching out into the empty, extragalactic void beyond. But those days are long gone.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Webway

or are they..?

Even assuming an accurate quote, that’s into the void, not beyond to another galaxy.

There are sources of the Webway extending beyond the Galaxy but not by much. The novel Shadowpoint features a Craftworld which fled beyond the borders of the Galaxy in the Fall, but it is only just outside and even that is portrayed as unfathomably isolated (despite the connection to the Webway) and its mortal inhabitants have no idea of what’s going on elsewhere. Another galaxy entirely would be completely disconnected.

Grey Templar wrote:
In Christianity, the fallen angels still refer to God as God. Their rebellion may have made them enemies, but they still know he is and call him the all-powerful creator of the universe.

Of course, there is a difference between God and god. God, fully capitalized, is used to refer to an omnipotent supreme deity. god refers to lesser deities, usually as part of a pantheon of multiple gods who are all worshipped by their own sects of believers but can also have lots of overlap. A pantheon may have a God and also a bunch of lesser gods, it might also not have a God but only gods. God is a god, but not all gods are God.

He is capitalized.

If the warp is a reflection of the thoughts, fears, and emotions (etc.) of sentient beings, then it's entirely possible that the warp fades as you get further away from those places that have said beings. So, I could imagine that warp travel will only get you so far outside the galaxy, until it effectively ceases to exist. Or it just gets calmer. Definitely one of the two.

The problem is distance isn't really a thing in the warp to Reality.

So it might be that whilst there's a vast gulf of nothing between Galaxies; that might manifest inside the warp as almost no distance at all. Or it could be a near infinite distance as there is nothing for the Warp denizens to feed on and thus nothing to hold them to shaping that part of the Warp.

I suspect it has to be the latter otherwise ancient races would have used the Warp easily to travel to other Galaxies



Heck it could even be that the Warp becomes so weak that whilst you could cross it in seconds; once in the dead-zone you'd lack any ability to navigate it and thus would go in eternal circles

Current lore is that warp travel requires currents to navigate.

I imagine that in the lifeless intergalactic void means that there are no currents to navigate.

Also the Astronomicon only goes so far.