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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It makes the main foe of the marines, the ancient chaos powered arch nemesis, to seem pathetic.

To whom? You are literally the first (and only) person I've ever heard raise this.

To anyone who sees the models next to each other.

It is common complaint that CSM are neglected and whilst they're supposed to be ancient chaos-powered veterans they're relatively feeble compared to the loyalist. This is just the same in visual form.

I don't really see the need for chaos primaris at the moment. Ideally we'd get truescale tactical marines, and then we can retcon Cawl and phase out everything primaris (hey one can dream, right?).

The snub nosed mk X does nothing for me, the vader esque masks of the older style marines looks better IMO.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It makes the main foe of the marines, the ancient chaos powered arch nemesis, to seem pathetic.

To whom? You are literally the first (and only) person I've ever heard raise this.

To anyone who sees the models next to each other.

It is common complaint that CSM are neglected and whilst they're supposed to be ancient chaos-powered veterans they're relatively feeble compared to the loyalist. This is just the same in visual form.

Menace is not defined by how tall you are.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It makes the main foe of the marines, the ancient chaos powered arch nemesis, to seem pathetic.

To whom? You are literally the first (and only) person I've ever heard raise this.

To anyone who sees the models next to each other.

It is common complaint that CSM are neglected and whilst they're supposed to be ancient chaos-powered veterans they're relatively feeble compared to the loyalist. This is just the same in visual form.

feth no, the current CSM models fit perfectly on the table when compared to primaris, they don't need to magically get bigger. And the complaing isn't about the non character infantry since those are all in brand new plastic now. The complains are about lack of character mobility options and the few finecast ones that need to be upgraded, CSM as a whole is a range that is in the perfect spot



CSM don't need the extra 2" to match primaris to look menacing

Well... it'd be nice to have a multi-part Oblit kit that has 3 Oblits and a metric feth-ton of different guns to put in various places so that no two are the same. And a Venom Crawler kit.

But other than that, yeah.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well... it'd be nice to have a multi-part Oblit kit that has 3 Oblits and a metric feth-ton of different guns to put in various places so that no two are the same. And a Venom Crawler kit.

But other than that, yeah.

Well oblits are 2/4's now so you don't need the third sculpt (i know i know, don't go on a rant about it pls lol)
I do agree that those need a standalone kit with options tho.

Then i'd want a new defiler model , new bikers and maybe updated rhino chassis to be more chaos-like if you're twisting my arm.

Not a rant, but they're 2/4 becaise of their current state of being. If they had a real kit, then that wouldn't be the case (unless the kit had 2 Oblits rather than 3, which I wouldn't put past GW at this stage).

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It makes the main foe of the marines, the ancient chaos powered arch nemesis, to seem pathetic.

To whom? You are literally the first (and only) person I've ever heard raise this.

To anyone who sees the models next to each other.

It is common complaint that CSM are neglected and whilst they're supposed to be ancient chaos-powered veterans they're relatively feeble compared to the loyalist. This is just the same in visual form.

Menace is not defined by how tall you are.

If the gw model designers read this they'll try to BLAM you for heresy

Why, have you seen how they made goblins look like in AoS? Dark Eldar or the new chaos cultists aren't tank sized monsters either.

Those models are supposed to be smaller/lithe/weedy, no surprises there. Though I should have mentioned that I mean designs of the more recent editions, the dark eldar sculpts are from 5th (cultists are pretty old too I think?). I also don't really follow AoS.

I was thinking more along the lines of leader models (like ginormous stompy guilliman), primaris stuff in general, the new orc squig-themed stuff, ever larger nid beasties etc. A part of this is plain old scale creep though.

GW's moronification of chaos has made them entirely ridiculous to play.

Rather than giving up your soul for temporal power to conquer your enemies, becoming more powerful than them at the cost of damnation, we're left with idiots that do dumb things and become weaker puppets.

Who'd want to play an army that has deliberately been made losers with no upsides?

Give me 2nd ed chaos where it actually made you a scary monster and the imperium quaked at their approach.

Now it's just pandering to the good guys - can't have anyone be better than space marines, or you'll hurt timmy's feelings.

 Crimson wrote:
I wish that when they redid the CSM models last time, they would have just given them primaris size and proportions. While they look better than previous ones, it is still awkward that they're smaller than the loyalists. So I'd welcome chaos primaris, as that would mean CSM in better scale.

Imo the issue here is that the Primaris Marines are too big, not that all the other "newscale" Marines are too small. But either way it would have been much more sensible to just establish one consistent scale for Space Marines – if ever there was an opportunity to do it, it was around the time Primaris got introduced, and in time-honoured GW fashion, they completely beefed it.

I really hope that they stay away from the boring tacticool look of primaris marines for Chaos.
They can scale them up a bit, add more spikes etc and it will be good without the need to come up with a lore reason for that.

 Wyldhunt wrote:
Primaris have fallen to chaos and will continue to do so in the future for the same reason non-primaris marines have fallen and will fall. Nothing about primaris really makes them chaos-proof.

Primaris are just truescale marines that got some awkward lore to explain why they look less squat than the rest of your army while the transition is underway. Eventually, GW will downplay the distinction between firstborn and primaris more and more until there's literally no difference.

this is the truth