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Is this a precursor to the entire lineup of miniatures to be cast in wood in the future? Like with the biomass "green energy" being so sustainable that it cuts down entire forests etc just to avoid plastics lol. (not that I am against improving the living climate btw)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Now we can pretend to be green by saving 5g of plastic on a reusable bag and carrying the box with 100s of grams of waste sprue home on our hands. Christ this greenwashing virtue signaling is tedious.

Also this, corporate logic is off the charts.

I mailed GW before on that matter, how ridiculous it is that sprues are built in such a way that 70% of them goes into a never-to-be-applicable-due-to-not-having-any-torso-duplicates bits box. If anything is wasting plastics then that is.

Also, isn't 3rd printing something claimed to be the future? Yeah, that's plastics too.

"I did a thing that gibz me social credit score huehue" is apparently where companies are going rather than -actually- caring about pollution etc.

How about... if they moulded the sprues as girder shaped, or had sections with a brick or wood grain texture in it, or something like that? It would make it more obvious to those less-inclined towards scratch-building that you can use the sprues for all sorts of things, and would make it easier to do so...

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
Is this a precursor to the entire lineup of miniatures to be cast in wood in the future?

Yes. Yes it is.

Crispy78 wrote:
How about... if they moulded the sprues as girder shaped, or had sections with a brick or wood grain texture in it, or something like that? It would make it more obvious to those less-inclined towards scratch-building that you can use the sprues for all sorts of things, and would make it easier to do so...

Mate I've used sprues for many things and still ended up with a moving-box full of it that noone seems to want when advertised for free.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
Is this a precursor to the entire lineup of miniatures to be cast in wood in the future?

Yes. Yes it is.

Dangit, well there goes our forests I guess.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sorry, as long as we have people who consume more in a day than I do in a lifetime you won't convince me this is anything but smoke and mirrors.

Yep, this in a nutshell. While the 6 largest superyachts combined have higher emissions of a particular greenhouse gas than the entire transport system of Europe, we can't pretend that any of this matters all that much.

Of course, that's not justification not to try at all, I still do my best, but recognise that it's ultimately futile unless the elephant in the room is addressed.

As for the move itself, if I'm spending a decent amount, not providing any reasonable method of getting a few boxes, bunch of paints, brush, glue, magazine etc. in one purchase out of the store and home isn't the best look for something billing itself as luxury goods. Other high end stores like clothing, tech etc. provide free paper bags since they recognize the value of advertising that comes from people carrying the bag around.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
Is this a precursor to the entire lineup of miniatures to be cast in wood in the future?

Yes. Yes it is.

Dangit, well there goes our forests I guess.

Do you guys even have any forests?

Crispy78 wrote:
How about... if they moulded the sprues as girder shaped, or had sections with a brick or wood grain texture in it, or something like that? It would make it more obvious to those less-inclined towards scratch-building that you can use the sprues for all sorts of things, and would make it easier to do so...

That would be really nice. Avatars of War has branch-shaped sprue for their plastic Furies intended to make scenic fight stands for the minis. And the new 10mm industrial terrain from Warcradle actually has some girder-sprue IIRC.

Is the Warcradle terrain HIPS plastic?

It's really remarkable how unsurprised I am by some of the comments. I'm waiting until we get told how this is all Blackrock's fault because... something something DEI.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is the Warcradle terrain HIPS plastic?

Yes!

 cuda1179 wrote:

It's a bit more than an annoyance I'm afraid. There was a study that showed that reusable bags are actually worse for the environment than the disposable ones (at least the Walmart type). Most reusable bags require much, much more material than shopping bags and the materials they are made from are worse for the environment to make. So much so you'd have to reuse the bag hundreds of times before even breaking even, and sadly most people replace their reusable bags long before this because they get icky. Also to note, that when plastic bags are banned in areas sales of small plastic trash bags and dog-waste bags increase quite a bit. Looks like the average person uses their old-walmart bag as a trash liner for the bathroom.

It's worth nothing that in the study I've seen quoted this is true for cotton bags (need to be re-used 130 times to break even), but the 'bag for life' reusable plastic design used in most UK supermarkets only need to be used 4 times to offset it's increased emissions cost, and paper 3 times (although paper bags have a whole host of problems).

This article discusses it more, and has a link to the study. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47027792

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is the Warcradle terrain HIPS plastic?

Yes!

Excellent. Thank you.

Would you happen to know a shop in the US who carries it? I can provide my own bag. Thanks, Costco.

Its a dream of mine to get to the supermarket checkout and whip out Age of Sigmar bags-for-life.

Thats right everyone - Henry is not the only customer who shops at Games Workshop!

People don't use backpacks these days?

 warboss wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I need 20 paint pots for my next project and dont have a bag XD Thats going to be fun.

Good initiative but even supermarkets have alternative bags options... It's not like - though luck!

You're in luck. For the low, low cost of double your total purchase price you can buy a branded paint hobby carrying case for the project to carry the paint pots. It's really a win, win scenario for all involved! GW, the environment, and you!

Now thats really tempting! A STORMVAULT SKIRMISH CASE to tickle the paint pots with those silicone nips. Love GW!

 GMSchofield wrote:

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 cuda1179 wrote:

It's a bit more than an annoyance I'm afraid. There was a study that showed that reusable bags are actually worse for the environment than the disposable ones (at least the Walmart type). Most reusable bags require much, much more material than shopping bags and the materials they are made from are worse for the environment to make. So much so you'd have to reuse the bag hundreds of times before even breaking even, and sadly most people replace their reusable bags long before this because they get icky. Also to note, that when plastic bags are banned in areas sales of small plastic trash bags and dog-waste bags increase quite a bit. Looks like the average person uses their old-walmart bag as a trash liner for the bathroom.

It's worth nothing that in the study I've seen quoted this is true for cotton bags (need to be re-used 130 times to break even), but the 'bag for life' reusable plastic design used in most UK supermarkets only need to be used 4 times to offset it's increased emissions cost, and paper 3 times (although paper bags have a whole host of problems).

This article discusses it more, and has a link to the study. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47027792

Cheers for that. Used properly I don't see a cotton one wearing out, well, in under 130 times. They are essentially like an article of clothing at that point like a backpack or whatever. And thankfully I don't see anyone arguing I should go to single use plastic boxers for the sake of the environment.

Bit stupid that they aren’t offering an alternative and just asking you to byo bags. Even the local FLGS here managed to source branded paper bags that they provide for no extra charge, but the multinational mega corporation can’t?

I’m forgetful, and tend not to wander around with bags for no reason, so the chances I get to the counter and think “oh gak I forgot about bags” is high. Given most stuff I buy from GW is something that if I spend an extra 5 minutes thinking about it I’ll decide I don’t need it, chances are if I have to go back to my car or wander around juggling a handful of paints/sprays/models, there’s a good chance I’ll change my mind and not buy it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I’m forgetful, and tend not to wander around with bags for no reason, so the chances I get to the counter and think “oh gak I forgot about bags” is high. Given most stuff I buy from GW is something that if I spend an extra 5 minutes thinking about it I’ll decide I don’t need it, chances are if I have to go back to my car or wander around juggling a handful of paints/sprays/models, there’s a good chance I’ll change my mind and not buy it.

Hey, even your mammals have pouches and you don't even have a bag (a nylon one easily fits in every pocket) or rucksack when visiting a GW store paying Australian prices?

I've never had a GW store near me so I have no experience with their plastic bags but I am curious how integral they were to patrons shopping experience.

I'm curious as to where this was posted?

 Ahtman wrote:
I've never had a GW store near me so I have no experience with their plastic bags but I am curious how integral they were to patrons shopping experience.

They were pretty awesome. Heavy duty and good for being reused. I have one that I use as a rubbish bin in my car, haha. I think they might have charged 50 cents or something like that for them.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I’m forgetful, and tend not to wander around with bags for no reason, so the chances I get to the counter and think “oh gak I forgot about bags” is high. Given most stuff I buy from GW is something that if I spend an extra 5 minutes thinking about it I’ll decide I don’t need it, chances are if I have to go back to my car or wander around juggling a handful of paints/sprays/models, there’s a good chance I’ll change my mind and not buy it.

Hey, even your mammals have pouches and you don't even have a bag (a nylon one easily fits in every pocket) or rucksack when visiting a GW store paying Australian prices?

Unfortunately although I am in Australia, I don’t have any marsupial in my ancestry.

But yeah, I’m mostly forgetful and don’t like carrying extra stuff I don’t need. Most places now have paper bags which I reuse a few times before they are worn out. I’ve never really looked into it but I assume paper bags don’t have a big environmental impact? Maybe I’m destroying the world by going through a few paper bags each week?

I do think plastic bags are horrible because I imagine most of them end up as micro plastics in waterways, but to offer no alternative seems short sighted.

 Overread wrote:
I dunno if I plan on buying a LOT of game stuff its rarely an impulsive purchase so chances are I'd take a backpack/bag or something with me.

Most impulsive hobby purchases might just be 1 box of models or a few pots of paint. Ergo easy to carry by hand/in a pocket kind of things.


The kind of person that walks into a store without any foreplanning and puts down £100s for loads of stuff - that's rare.


Sure there will be a transition phase for those that don't pre-plan to take their bag with them, but I'm sure most will adapt pretty easily the same as how everyone has adapted to supermarkets.

The "transition" phase to supermarkets is to not offer bags by default but give them on request and charge for them, which has already been GW policy for more than five years.

This seems to be not having any bags to buy at all in any circumstances. And I think that sort of drop in purchase is a lot more common than you think it is, especially in certain stores like Tottenham Court Road that get a *lot* of tourist traffic.

For the Americans, the UK evidence base is overwhelming that actions to reduce plastic bag use is good and has lead to a material reduction in plastic usage and overall positive environmental impact. I just think the status quo there that they are heavily discouraged but there if absolutely required is the right one.

Sounds like a cheap cost saving move.

Even with this as a Law, they could offer Paper Bags, but no, "No Bags, please bring your own".

RazorEdge wrote:
Sounds like a cheap cost saving move.

Even with this as a Law, they could offer Paper Bags, but no, "No Bags, please bring your own".

They’re legally required to charge for bags in the UK so it won’t be a direct cost saving. But there’s probably some green incentive they benefit from by getting rid of them entirely.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

They’re legally required to charge for bags in the UK so it won’t be a direct cost saving. But there’s probably some green incentive they benefit from by getting rid of them entirely.

The incentive is they don't have to pay to have them manufactured, paper or plastic.

It's a cost saving measure that just so happens to be environmentally friendly. Similar to businesses upgrading to LED lightning etc.

I'm sure that they'll also stop producing products in China and shipping them halfway around the world as well...

They probably signed up for some sort of sustainability certificate and this gives them massive points without actually putting a dent in their waste plastic output

 BertBert wrote:
People don't use backpacks these days?

Or a sled, amirite? I mean who doesn't visit the hobbystore without a trusty laundry cart!

 warboss wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
People don't use backpacks these days?

Or a sled, amirite? I mean who doesn't visit the hobbystore without a trusty laundry cart!

Guess I'm what they call a "boomer" then

 BertBert wrote:
People don't use backpacks these days?

Backpacks are on the list of things people with overinflated egos refuse to use, I guess because they're associated with being in school. But to be fair, you'll be hard pressed to find one that can fit a modern GW starter box. I just tossed my first-day-of-highschool backpack that I used for 28 years as the bottom gave out, it could fit Leviathan with room to spare. The best replacement I could find is not even close.