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The Drop Zone, like it or not, its you that is cheating! My rulebook says that 6 dreads is illegal. It is written on page 38 in pen.

Lord sutekh, your information cannot be that good, as im 15, so cant go to vets nights anyway.

Ninjajuicer, the idea is to make the whole army balanced, not make one unit super cheese to compensate. It needs to be toned down!!!

>>Ninjajuicer, the idea is to make the whole army balanced, not make one unit super cheese to compensate. It needs to be toned down!!!

Building an army around one or two very powerful units is fine, as long as those units are not gamebreaking. The falcon is very tough to bring down (I once got 5 glancing hits on one from one unit's shooting and did nothing!!!). The next game against that player I killed both of his falcons. The falcon is tough as nails, but it is not unbeatable. It costs an arm and a leg to field (150-200pts). It can transports troops, but only small units (6). It doesn't fire an MEQ smashing ordinance templare (defiler, monolith, leman russ, vindicator). It doesn't have 72 inch range (leman russ, hammerhead). It doesn't have the raw tank killing power of 3 lascannons (pred annihalator). It cannot fire indirectly (basilisk, defiler). It doesn't have living armor, which is even better with the current assault cannon heavy metagame (monolith). It does not carry Epistolary terminator command squads at a cost of +30pts (DEATH FROM ABOVE). You cannot launch an assault out of it (trucks, raiders). It cannot carry an assault cannon!!! =)

Let me reiterate that last point...It cannot carry an assault cannon!!! =)


Just in case you all forgot...No assault cannon!

But it can kill my land speeders...

It has 2 strength 8 weapons, holofield, and a spirit stone. Shooting the *fudge*ing thing does nothing!! Its cheese, whether it can carry an assault cannon or not!!!

Not that I think the assault cannon is broken either!!! HaHaHa, LETS POUR SOME BLESSED PROMETHEUM ON THIS PRE-FLAME WAR.

I started warhammer 40k in early third (playing with armies out of the main rulebook). The level of cheese now is nothing compared to the B.S. second ed. player had to deal with (space wolves with termie armor with heavy weapons, avatar, the whole psychic phase). It is far better than early third ed (If you think the wraithlord is bad now, imagine it sniping your vet sarge with the powerfist every combat). It is far better than rhino rushing space wolves, black templars (not to mention assault squads "falling forward" 3d6), nurgle chaos, and serpent rushing biel tan.

That being said, GW is far from perfect. Things like Iron Warriors, some daemonbomb builds, Alaitoc Disruption, and warlocks as ablative wounds on seer councils are clearly in need of fixing. (I was once in a tourney where someone fielded a farseer with no weapons. When asked how the farseer could fight, the player made a fistecuffs motion with his hands and said "He fights with his fists.") The latter two are getting fixed in the new eldar 'dex.

FAlcons aren't overpowered.
put some multimeltas on you speeders and see how well the falcons go when your in 12 inches

guarenteed penertrating hit on a 4+ with 2D6 for the win!

all in all please just ignore burnthexenos, youll only encourage him to post more of this s##t.

The "skimmer" rule overrides the multi melta rule. So your only getting glancing hits unless your enemy is stupid. Then you roll 2 dice. If either of them is a 1 or 2 its ignored, and if its a 3, on a 4+, it is ignored! Falcons are cheese!!!

Ninjajuicer, none of the things you mentioned is anything compared to the almighty cheese of the falcon. Iron Warriors may be overpowered, but the Falcon is worse...much worse. Anyone that says otherwise is a heretic!!

Falcons are not overepowered in and of themselves. It is the Holo-Field that makes them unbalanced. You take away or change its rules, and the Falcon ceases to be the 'cheese' you claim it to be. It goes from being the best tank in the game to being just a decent tank.

BYE

Yes!! We need to get rid of the holifield, and reduce its armour value!!

Thankfully the holofield is been fixed in the new rules...

There's nothing wrong with its Armour Value! It's AV12! What kind've idiot has trouble defeating AV12?

And the Holo-Field rules, as far as we know, remain unchanged in the new book.

BYE

AV12 on a SKIMMER is annoying!

I think the holofield is going down to just been liek extra armour in the new book.

If it doesn't, then ill write a rule saying it does on page 38 of the rulebook.

Posted By burnthexenos on 09/04/2006 6:39 AM
If it doesn't, then ill write a rule saying it does on page 38 of the rulebook.

Oh just die already...

...

Stop trolling.

Posted By burnthexenos on 08/28/2006 5:33 PM
The Drop Zone, like it or not, its you that is cheating! My rulebook says that 6 dreads is illegal. It is written on page 38 in pen.

So if it is written in Pen and not print you pen in your own rules so that you can win?

Also What book are you refering to? I have looked in the spacemarine codex, the big black book, and even the DH book. And NOTHING comes close to what you claim are 'the rules'

and btw how do you deal with tau skimmers hammer heads have 13 front and 12 side and with a disruption pod if your not within 12" you get obscured target? Oh whats that you refuse to play any tau player with a vehicle? Thought so, sounds like you pick the army/list you can win against.

a little tip, you get better at a game by losing not by calling other people cheaters cuz you dont like thier lists or thier armies.

The most annoying thing about the falcon is the "jump-shoot-jump" they sometimes do.

Falcons are annoying and may need some minor adjustments but I think burnthexenos won't be happy until all other armies are str 1 tough 1 vehicles armor 10 all around and no ap on any weapons.

I can write a rule on page 38 as well. It says that whenever I play a punk kids that is an annoying little puke I can shove his models up his rear and claim they were sucked into the warp.

Tau vehicles suck! Sure, only glancing, but they dont ignored stunned and shaken results like the falcon! Its in page 38 of the rulebook, 6 dreads are illegal.

You win more games by refusing to play people that stand a remote chance of beating you. This is why my ultramarine army is undefeated- I only play against people who have to grasp of tactics or really, really bad army lists.

Toiletchief, I hate that rule aswell. The crystal targeting matrix should be banned.

Magine, try been more constructive, and I will take your post seriously.

Me try to be more constructive?? Why not huh? Cause you are doing such a great job of setting that example for us.

I was just following your lovely example. If I write it on page 38 it must be a rule right?? Is that not what you said? Nothing says it isn't? Is that not what you said?? I am just trying to follow the example of such an intelligent gamer such as yourself. :S

Im trying to think up new rules for the game- redesigning the falcon.
Yes, anything written in the rulebook is a rule.. But you are been deliberately difficult, and you are acting stupidly with your crappy rules.

I thought the rule was legit. I bet you would find more people like the idea of shoving models up punk kids rears than you think.

magine, just write it in his rule book in pen before you do. Then it's totally kosher.

Stolen from the PP boards.

Its damn well not kosher! Only I can change the rules as I see fit!

Posted By malfred on 09/04/2006 2:09 PM


Stolen from the PP boards.

Nice ... like it a lot. 

Now if everyone would just ignore this idiot we can return to normal and have some real arguments with name calling and questioning parentage but without the little children joining in. 

Well then you are stupid.

Oh the Irony!


Just a question do your unbeatable smurfs have trouble with falcons?

Please stop posting random insulting crap, you cheating fool. If you dont believe me that 6 dreads is illegal, read page 38 of the rulebook.

I generally gun the rest of the eldar army to bits in 2 turns, then hide from the falcon,s or try and get to their rear armour. So, no. But the fact that I have to use tactics, such as hiding behind scenery and maneuvaring my land speeders to their best effect is unacceptable. Tactics should be taken out of the game as much as possible, then it will be down to who is the best dice roller.

Burnthexenos is comedy freakin' gold. I look forward to reading all of his posts - they make me laugh, which is a hard thing to do!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++++++!!!!!!!11 great poster would read again!!

Sounds like Falcons aren't the only things that need to be fixed around here.

Posted By burnthexenos on 09/04/2006 3:53 PM
I generally gun the rest of the eldar army to bits in 2 turns, then hide from the falcon,s or try and get to their rear armour. So, no. But the fact that I have to use tactics, such as hiding behind scenery and maneuvaring my land speeders to their best effect is unacceptable. Tactics should be taken out of the game as much as possible, then it will be down to who is the best dice roller.

Sweet! I would always win as best dice roller as I roll weighted dice, a set for each number I want to come up. I also have a super lucky costume which is me in a pair of cowboy boots, a Stetson cowboy hat and a pair of speedo's. Makes the ladies go wild, with my pasty white belly resting upon the table, covered in hair and leftovers (which I pick and eat), while my manly bulging biceps and all my extra tentacles roll dice like the mad unwashed maven I am. I just have to be careful about what I eat beforehand, as I sometimes get terrible flatulence and that's no fun for anybody but me. People cower in fear of my dice rolling skillz and super rad general skills! Some even run away screaming! You know you're good when stores close their doors and lock up rather than let you come in and mercilessly crush all opponents. Even the local GW store has told me I'm too awesome for them, how cool is that!?!

First off, burnthexenos, this is the first time I've posted on Dakka in two years.  Congratulations, YOU did that.  Now, then,

I only play against people who have to grasp of tactics or really, really bad army lists.

Really?  So you either beat people who know what they're doing, or you you beat people that don't.  Well if the first is true, why not play people with "good" lists?  You obviously know what you're doing.  BTW, what is a bad list in your not so humble opinion? 

Its damn well not kosher! Only I can change the rules as I see fit!

 
Who died and made you Overfiend?  I also claim that right for myself, and as my first rules change, I institute that thing about shoving models up your butt.  Ah, the hell with it.  Let's give everyone that right, make the rules absolutely unnecessary, and resort to smashing our models together and calling the person with the least broken pieces the winner.  What do you say, boyo?

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Tactics!?  In a wargame!? The hell you say!  Next thing you know they'll be wanting us to group our models into "untis" and "armies" and other nonsense.  Well, fooey is what I say to that.  Oh wait a tick, didn't you just say that tactics made a good game previously?  I'm a little confused.  If it just comes down to who is the best dice roller, why not put the models down and start playing craps?  Unlike 40k, that can be a profitable exercise.  Plus it will relieve all of us of your burdening presence.

Look, BTX, I want you to go up to your mother, give her a big smile, and then punch her in the ovaries.  It's a damn shame what this woman has done to you during your upbringing and I say it's high time you stood up for yourself.  Don't take any more crap from her, mister!  After that, go buy a nudie magazine (with girls in it) get some perspective on life and grow the "f" up, kid.
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