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Would be nice if they actually stopped it from happeninig in the first place though..
I am really not looking forward to work tomorrow. Guess which silly tit agreed to do the late shift *raises hand*... then again, id rather it me than the 60 year old woman who normally locks up.
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
SilverMK2 wrote:But the point is do you want possible future convictions, or do you want to stop places getting looted and burned down in the first place?
In medicine prevention is better than a cure...
But you don't lop off someone's leg to save them from a cramp.
There's only so much you can do to "prevent" riots, looting, etc. And there's not much you can do when the police are the perceived 'cause' of the riot that led to the looting.
Kilkrazy wrote:It's a complex social problem which doesn't have an easy fix.
I know, theres always hope though right?....right?
And when hope fails, there's rubber baton rounds!
But seriously. The only way to prevent this would have been not shooting the guy, but then it would have happened at some distant point as long as the underlying problems/feelings of the minority community were still there.
Well, the minority community and the twits who wanted to start looting.
Why exactly haven't extreme measures been taken yet? this is an extremely serious riot. Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets and Batons should have been out on the first day.
After this they should all be tried for Treason as terrorists.
I know, theres always hope though right?....right?
Hope doesn't exist.
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Mr Hyena wrote:Why exactly haven't extreme measures been taken yet? this is an extremely serious riot. Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets and Batons should have been out on the first day.
After this they should all be tried for Treason as terrorists.
I know, theres always hope though right?....right?
Hope doesn't exist.
And yet we're all hoping this "rioting" ends soon.
Hope does exist bro - it is most definitely not a false concept. In fact, it's a defining quality of humanity.
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Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.
Kilkrazy wrote:It's a complex social problem which doesn't have an easy fix.
I know, theres always hope though right?....right?
And when hope fails, there's rubber baton rounds!
But seriously. The only way to prevent this would have been not shooting the guy, but then it would have happened at some distant point as long as the underlying problems/feelings of the minority community were still there.
Well, the minority community and the twits who wanted to start looting.
Yay for rubber baton rounds! Bring em on
that may have helped, but there would have been some other tipping point as you say. The point is now that the looting is absolutely, positively f all about that tit that got shot (seriously, he was a gangster, no remorse for him at all) and everything about sodding stupid looters. I cant believe people on the News now are trying to give the looters political agendas (as if) in some weird, vague attempt to explain it all away. I doubt most of the looters can even spell politics (*goes to check spelling*), and even if they could, even they wouldnt even bother to attribute politic ideals (whatever they may be) onto what they are doing.
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
Flash, we need a cop that can work 24/7, a cop that doesn't need to eat or sleep.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Kilkrazy wrote:Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.
-Alexander Pope,
An Essay on Man, Epistle I, 1733
Paradise was unendurable, otherwise the first man would have adapted to it; this world is no less so, since here we regret paradise or anticipate another one. What to do? where to go? Do nothing and go nowhere, easy enough.
No point taking down communications, keeping them going means that we should be able to monitor where's to be hit next, we need to take charge of communications and be able to plan our counter attacks / areas of defense accordingly. Keeping it live will also mean that we can use it as evidence against them WHEN we take them down
We need to do what the Victorians did with their social underclass. Get a big boat, load them on board and send it off to Austrailia. You still got room down there guys?
So it's all over Manchester city centre now, hope everyone up there is ok?
Just listening to the news now: Looting and shops being torched, hundreds of young lads in hoodies on bikes, according to the news on the radio......Salford too, Wolverhampton and West Bromich as well. Bad news here, Mark Duggan did NOT fire his weapon at police....uh oh.....
Flashman wrote:We need to do what the Victorians did with their social underclass. Get a big boat, load them on board and send it off to Austrailia. You still got room down there guys?
IMO a small core of rioters are career criminals. The majority are hangers-on, wannabes, deluded youths and some idiots out for kicks or petty looting gains.
To the extent they have any political awareness it's along of the lines of "smash the rich", we want "respect".
Flashman wrote:We need to do what the Victorians did with their social underclass. Get a big boat, load them on board and send it off to Austrailia. You still got room down there guys?
Flashman wrote:We need to do what the Victorians did with their social underclass. Get a big boat, load them on board and send it off to Austrailia. You still got room down there guys?
sarpedons-right-hand wrote:OMG, just heard that a 6 year old kid has been seen with a brand new fishing rod walking down Manchester City Centre!! 6!? WTF are his parents doing?!
Ahtman wrote:A lot of the people posting in this thread don't seem much better than the people they are calling for violence against.
Except of course, they are not the ones actually...rioting...
So? It is hypocritical to complain about the morals of rioters while calling for exacerbated violence and actually killing in the streets. The riots need to be brought under control, but calling for the state to start gunning down it's citizens in such a manner is reminiscent of the worse moments of our histories and it rarely solves anything more than either escalating the violence or momentarily suppressing it.
I'm sorry for not caring about dead criminals, I really am. Maybe if this was happening where you lived and it was your family and friends scared to leave the house you wouldn't have such a hippy stance towards these animals.
The question isn't why do I kill. The question is, why I don't kill everybody.
IMO a small core of rioters are career criminals. The majority are hangers-on, wannabes, deluded youths and some idiots out for kicks or petty looting gains.
Glad you understood
Agreed. But its the 'hardcore' leaders who are then directing it all. And the rest of them are so stupid, or so desperate to appear 'in' with the real crooks that they will do anything they tell them.
To the extent they have any political awareness it's along of the lines of "smash the rich", we want "respect".
Yup, and that is saddening. Did you read that quote from the radio btw? He said almost exactly this, (and also that apparently, this is how they get money these days) What a moron.
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
Kilkrazy wrote:It's a complex social problem which doesn't have an easy fix.
I dont think it has a fix. Poor people are generally under-educated, and turn to crime easier. You cant stop them from breeding, so that leaves the popular option of doing nothing and letting the situation compound itself. Hand outs are only a bandaid and dont really encourage bettering yoursellf. Jail is a F'n joke because they meet all their drug contacts there and learn how to become better criminals.
I mean how to you fix poor and stupid? Its like tossing money into a flaming hole and hoping it eventually fills up.
That leaves the extreme options of forced schooling/work facilities but no one will ever try such a totaltarian approach.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
