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Albatross wrote:Whitey holding them down, I expect...

I like the way one of the "bluds" said

"they dont even come here man, they think we are like animals"

Yes, because you smash the city up and act like fething animals.

Not only am I glad they shot the no good fether, I want them to hose the rioters down as well. They wont be the type of people who will add anything to our society, so id more than happy for them all to be butchered like dogs.

But alas, they wont, the cops will have to treat them all like kid gloves and they will go on their merry ways. Free to leech off wellfare and have 12 kids each who all do the same.

Should have left it to burn.

Up the Arsenal!

You know, I wonder why we never have any Riots in the US, I hear of them all the time in the UK, but never in the USA.

Karon wrote:You know, I wonder why we never have any Riots in the US, I hear of them all the time in the UK, but never in the USA.

We have the occasional riot in the U.S., there just not as frequent here because most American citizens are far to apathetic when in comes to politics/causes..etc, and would much rather just let " business as usual" go on rather than miss an episode of Jersey Shore or put their video game controllers down.
....Plus, American Police are probably much more likely to " use deadly force" if you throw rocks at them...

I'm sorry, but now whenever I think about riots I always think of this picture...

I always think of the mighty Riot Shotgun from Fallout: NV

FITZZ wrote:

Karon wrote:You know, I wonder why we never have any Riots in the US, I hear of them all the time in the UK, but never in the USA.

We have the occasional riot in the U.S., there just not as frequent here because most American citizens are far to apathetic when in comes to politics/causes..etc, and would much rather just let " business as usual" go on rather than miss an episode of Jersey Shore or put their video game controllers down.
....Plus, American Police are probably much more likely to " use deadly force" if you throw rocks at them...

All painfully real and truthful points.

You do havve them and they tend to be somewhat more destructive and lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I must admit the thing that makes me laugh most about this is the fuss being made about it when a bout two weeks ago there was significant rioting in Belfast (suprise!) and bearly a mention.

The most noteworthy element of the Tottenham situation was the lack of Horse and Baton charges. Clearly the Met have cut funding to these most entertaining parts of their budget.

Watched an interview with the deputy mayor of London on BBC news this morning. He conveyed a suitable air of outrage at the events. To be honest, judging by the media coverage and the information that has come to light thus far, it seems most of the riots were sparked by people who fancied a little bit of mischief making and the opportunity to steal themselves a new TV. Rioting is good cover for a spot of looting.

filbert wrote:Watched an interview with the deputy mayor of London on BBC news this morning. He conveyed a suitable air of outrage at the events. To be honest, judging by the media coverage and the information that has come to light thus far, it seems most of the riots were sparked by people who fancied a little bit of mischief making and the opportunity to steal themselves a new TV. Rioting is good cover for a spot of looting.

Too true....

And we now have some copy-cat looting going on in other parts of london :( I guess some of the kids didn't get the memo from Tottenham and felt a bit left out.

Still, it's in London. That place needs burning to the ground anyway

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Well allegedly, taking what limited info we have until the IPCC finish their investigation, this was caused because some muppet thought carrying a illegal firearm around in London was a good idea, and then fired on armed Police when they came to arrest him.

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet,

So in fact it seems the Police opened fire first, hitting other Police officers, who in turn return fire and kill the suspect.

If, IF, this is the case then it's a big WHOOPS moment for the Police.

Not that this really excuses the subsequent behaviour that followed.

reds8n wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Well allegedly, taking what limited info we have until the IPCC finish their investigation, this was caused because some muppet thought carrying a illegal firearm around in London was a good idea, and then fired on armed Police when they came to arrest him.

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet,

So in fact it seems the Police opened fire first, hitting other Police officers, who in turn return fire and kill the suspect.

Wait, did you get that quote from the Metro this morning? Because the quote is worded in exactly the same way as in the article I read, and I don't recall it suggesting that the police fired first, though admittedly I read it at 5.15am this morning...

In any case, I don't think we should be be over-quick to jump on the police until we have all the facts. Which we don't. I'm not comfortable with the suggestion that, just because he was black, and was shot by police officers, that Mr. Duggan was completely innocent of any wrongdoing. By the same token, implying that he probably 'had it coming' because he was black and shot by the police is also premature, as well as ignorant.

As for the rioters? Scum. Cavalry charges followed by tear gas and hoses. Anyone still on the scene gets a free ride in the party van.

I'm not saying he was innocent as such, reports are suggesting/saying that another, illegal or "non police issue"l, firearm was indeed removed from the scene, which would lead one to assume that they did at least identify the correct suspect.

.. it was just the actual operation went,badly, wrong, if and I say again, IF, this report is true.

I feel reasonably certain that if the police had intended to simply execute him/similar then their plan would be unlikely to involve shooting a colleague first of all. At least one would hope so.

Quote was from... The Guardian ? .. I think originally. reports still seem a bit confused.

Which is both understandable given events and, alas, worryingly familiar.

WARORK93 wrote:I'm sorry, but now whenever I think about riots I always think of this picture...

That picture made me lol.




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reds8n wrote:
Quote was from... The Guardian ? .. I think originally. reports still seem a bit confused.

Which is both understandable given events and, alas, worryingly familiar.

The Guardian had to print an apology to the well known bastion of idicoy that is The Sun.

Im sure according to the Guardian the police callously murdered this fething dirtbag while he was driving an ice cream van to an orphanage.

.. if only there was someway you could find out !?!?

the well known bastion of idicoy that is The Sun.

..came out in favour of the death penalty

reds8n wrote:.. if only there was someway you could find out !?!?

the well known bastion of idicoy that is The Sun.

..came out in favour of the death penalty

Of course they did, its the Sun!

According to the Sun Ian Huntley has a foozball table in his cell and Levi Bellfield gets day release to coach a womans football team.

If you have been paying attention old bean, im more into the "force them to work in a mine" camp than being exactly "pro"death penalty.

I merely said id rather shoot people like Huntley in the head than let them have nice comfy cells with telly's in, you know.. if I cant have option A.

@reds8n - Aye, seen the reports on that this morning, so maybe the Police will have something to answer for, it still might come out he drew his weapon and aimed just before the shooting started.
Of course whatever the outcome, it still won't excuse him for carrying said illegal firearm that led to his attempted arrest, but aye, could cause more issues for the Police in the area.

The Looting is my bigger bugbear however, some of the stuff that has appeared on the news this morning shows it was much more about 'nicking stuff' than overal issues with Police and problems in the area.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:The Looting is my bigger bugbear however, some of the stuff that has appeared on the news this morning shows it was much more about 'nicking stuff' than overal issues with Police and problems in the area.

That's how it happens. People taking advantage of the situation, but not really protesting. Hell, I doubt a good deal of the people looting don't know crap (or even care) about what started the whole mess in the first place.

The "Rodney King" LA riots were an example of that.

The Cedar Grove riots in Shreveport, LA in 1988 are another example of that. The shooting happened 3 blocks from my house, and some of the businesses burned down were just a few streets over. My dad and our neighbors were loaded for bear. Nothing happened on our block. Most of the rioters were people looking for free stuff (Liquir stores and clothes stores).

reds8n wrote: I'm not saying he was innocent as such, reports are suggesting/saying that another, illegal or "non police issue"l, firearm was indeed removed from the scene, which would lead one to assume that they did at least identify the correct suspect.

.. it was just the actual operation went,badly, wrong, if and I say again, IF, this report is true.

Sounds like a messy situation. I'm hoping you guys find out more in the next few days and the rioters knock that stuff off.

Keep your heads down, guys.

Kilkrazy wrote:There is a reason why impoverished, minority communities regularly riot while well-off, majority communities don't.

Because they have less to lose by burning it all down?

Dont know if anyone is still following the riots as they progress, but you heard it here first folks:

i am at work right now and need to get the bus home (dont drive as of yet) and have just been told Barnet High Street (where i need to get the bus from) is awash with Police and all the shops have been closed (and barricaded from the inside apparently in some cases).

O goody, looks like im not getting home tonight then

So it seems Looter fever has hit London, as I didn't spot last night they hit several places including Enfield, Walthamstow and Brixton (which is south London.) According to folks on other forums, Twitter and the like bragging about it, more places are being targetted tonight.

A twitter not long ago from Diane Abbot MP suggests that its 'Kicking off in Hackney" so London seems to be having serious issue at the moment.

Rumoured targets for tonight include Oxford street, Covent garden, Southgate, Palmers green, Wood green, Barnet, Finchley, Hackney and Dalston.

Seems like chaos on the streets.

Just confirming Barnet, my sister was stupid enough to try and walk down the High Street (need to teach her some things honestly) and its all closed and shut down. The worrying thing, the Police didnt seem to know what they are doing.

I've also heard rumours it is kicking off in Watford and Birmingham, but i have nothing to base that on, just overhearing rumours (ie large pinch of salt needed).

But yeah, its all kicking off....


EDIT: one funny thing, i was told that i shouldnt go near the High Street (by my mum) to even try to egt the bus because (and i quote) "You are more likely to get drawn into it than your sister"....what the hell?! I.am.not.a.looter!
Thanks mum.


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Revenent Reiko wrote:EDIT: one funny thing, i was told that i shouldnt go near the High Street (by my mum) to even try to egt the bus because (and i quote) "You are more likely to get drawn into it than your sister"....what the hell?! I.am.not.a.looter!
Thanks mum.

She probably just means you're more likely to be attacked by someone looking for a fight because you're a white dude.

Oh mothers and their caring for their children.

Just tell your sister to stay home and lock the doors. Keep your head down, reiko. These rumors reek of gossip and panic spreading, real or imagined.

Stay safe, guys!

kronk wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:EDIT: one funny thing, i was told that i shouldnt go near the High Street (by my mum) to even try to egt the bus because (and i quote) "You are more likely to get drawn into it than your sister"....what the hell?! I.am.not.a.looter!
Thanks mum.

She probably just means you're more likely to be attacked by someone looking for a fight because you're a white dude.

Yeah i know, was only teasing, i do seem to attract trouble though, o dear.

Oh mothers and their caring for their children.

Just tell your sister to stay home and lock the doors. Keep your head down, reiko.
Stay safe, guys!

Done and done, and thank you.

These rumors reek of gossip and panic spreading, real or imagined.

Unfortunately, its being confirmed as we speak, police have been attacked in Lewisham, so it is starting again.
However, i do take everything with a pinch of salt, especially if the warnings are coming from Twitter of all places. Heres hoping you are right and nothing happens (please let nothing happen).

They just trashed my local Sainsbury's in Barnet, this is getting a little close to home now.

Wow. Keep safe, guys.

Sounds like a freaking war-zone.

Maybe the cops should put down the sticks, pick up shotguns and deal with the situation. Alternatively, as this is Britain, you have cavalry and there are swords laying about. Time for Cossack Re-enactment Day?

Regardless, its best to nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure..

So glad to be home. Thanks go out to my dad for coming to get me

but yeah, bollocks to this, its getting a little silly...

Good to hear you are safe.

Thank you.