Riots in Tottenham

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**sarpedons-right-hand**

Hi all. Just wandered if any of you had seen the news this morning/last night? Those riots looked pretty shocking, hope all of you London Dakkites are ok?
Any of you live in the area? If so what's the atmosphere like around there this morning?

Sorry for all the questions but it's not something that happens all the time (thank 'insert diety of choice').

**Flashman**

Bloody Arsenal fans. The season hasn't even started yet...

**mattyrm**

Ive no time for this pussy footery.

They should have turned their guns on the fethers scruffy gangsta mates while they were at it.

**Destrado**

Hope everyone's ok, a real shame... From what I gathered, the protesters actually were torching their own living place?

**Flashman**

Scurrilous speculation on my part, but I suspect that the original protest was subsequently used by the usual suspects as an excuse for a night of mindless violence.

**blood reaper**

Seriously, you can count on a group of idiots to turn a peaceful protest into a violent one.

**Orlanth**

Essentially the story boils down to this.

1. Police look for a known violent criminal and expect that he is armed and dangerous, so they bring along a marksman team.

2. The criminal pulls gun when police try to arrest him.

3. Marksmen shoot.

4. The criminal happens to ber black.

5. So some members of the local community, assume its a an unlawful killing of a minority.

Police do not bring along marksmen to an arrest unless they are after someone known to be armed or is holding a hostage.

**Oski Bugmansson**

I have now moved from london for a holiday but i could smell smoke before I left

... god I wish I was there, like the student protests it could have been fun

**Flashman**

Oski Bugmansson wrote:I have now moved from london for a holiday but i could smell smoke before I left ... god I wish I was there, like the student protests it could have been fun

Let me be the first to say... o.O

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Fun? For real?! My god, if your idea of fun is a casual night burning Police cars and people's livelihoods, then I think I want to stay on your good side!

Seriously thou, did anyone actually witness any of this? It's just I do have mates in the general area (well, Camden), so I just wanted to make sure that peeps were ok.....

And is anyone reminded about Blackheath? Ok, it's not as bad but still, a bunch of fething idiots with nothing better to do than to cause a large amount of s**t..... Sometimes I hate being English.

**mattyrm**

sarpedons-right-hand wrote: Sometimes I hate being English.

I guarantee half of them were Somalian. Its London ffs!

**blood reaper**

Oski Bugmansson wrote:I have now moved from london for a holiday but i could smell smoke before I left ... god I wish I was there, like the student protests it could have been fun

Really? Or are you just trolling? Because if you're not that's just wrong.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Ahhh, the tories back in power and it's right back to Broadwater Farm...

If we could get 'Call Me Dave' to wear a blond wig, twinset and pearls, we'd be rocking like it's 1985.

**Ahtman**

mattyrm wrote: Ive no time for this pussy footery.

They should have turned their guns on the fethers scruffy gangsta mates while they were at it.

Isn't that essentially what started the riots in the first place?

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Well allegedly, taking what limited info we have until the IPCC finish their investigation, this was caused because some muppet thought carrying a illegal firearm around in London was a good idea, and then fired on armed Police when they came to arrest him.

Obviously all allegedly at this point, but if thats accurate, well, I have little sympathy for the man.

Just feel sorry for all those who have lost all their stuff, because folks hoisted a 'Looting' flag and decided to wreck some other peoples lives for freebies.

**Ahtman**

Oh I am sure it is as simple as the kind hearted police shooting an evil man that lead to the riots, but what if we suppose that it is more complicated than that? People rarely riot because of one incident, but a series of incidents until there frustration erupts into violence. I suppose you are all right, just a bunch of uppity coloreds and foreigners that just have a distaste for law and order.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

I don't care what race he was to be honest Ahtman, if he shoots at an Officer, and until more news comes forward, that seems to be the case, well, I have no sympathy for him.

I had no sympathy for that fella who got killed while drunk brandishing a weapon at home either. He was a white barrister in a rich area of London.

If you don't want to die, don't draw a weapon when you are being challenged by armed Police Officers, pretty simple really.

**Flashman**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:If you don't want to die, don't draw a weapon when you are being challenged by armed Police Officers, pretty simple really.

Or go on the underground during an undercover police operation when one of the officers is taking a leak and subsequently loses track of his real target meaning you get picked out instead and have the firearms squad sent after you who, lacking any clear information on what's going on, decide to shoot you to be on the safe side.

Accident or not, that still sickens me.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Same here, but we aren't talking about that. I'm also sickened by the whole Stephen Lawrence situation, and hopefully people will finally get to face Justice for that.

Like I have said in all my posts, my point of view is based on information we have to hand, if the IPCC comes out and he was gunned down in cold blood, I'll be up there calling for those coppers to face a trial with everyone else, however at this moment it seems he brought it on himself.

**Flashman**

Yes, fair play. Rightly or wrongly, whenever someone gets shot by the Met, I'm reminded of the incident. In this case, it probably did take place as they've described it.

**Oski Bugmansson**

Flashman wrote:
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:If you don't want to die, don't draw a weapon when you are being challenged by armed Police Officers, pretty simple really.

Or go on the underground during an undercover police operation when one of the officers is taking a leak and subsequently loses track of his real target meaning you get picked out instead and have the firearms squad sent after you who, lacking any clear information on what's going on, decide to shoot you to be on the safe side.

Accident or not, that still sickens me.

He shot first...

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Flashman wrote:
Oski Bugmansson wrote:I have now moved from london for a holiday but i could smell smoke before I left ... god I wish I was there, like the student protests it could have been fun

Let me be the first to say... o.O

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Fun? For real?! My god, if your idea of fun is a casual night burning Police cars and people's livelihoods, then I think I want to stay on your good side!

Seriously thou, did anyone actually witness any of this? It's just I do have mates in the general area (well, Camden), so I just wanted to make sure that peeps were ok.....

And is anyone reminded about Blackheath? Ok, it's not as bad but still, a bunch of fething idiots with nothing better to do than to cause a large amount of s**t..... Sometimes I hate being English.

blood reaper wrote:
Oski Bugmansson wrote:I have now moved from london for a holiday but i could smell smoke before I left ... god I wish I was there, like the student protests it could have been fun

Really? Or are you just trolling? Because if you're not that's just wrong.

1) ok it wouldnt have been "fun" but it would have been interesting... I may have expressed it wrong but it is enjoyable to get involved with the mood and have the feeling of being in the thick of a historical event. I would never loot!!! For christ's sake

2) I was at the student protests ok, but I was protesting, not looting or fighting

**Kilkrazy**

You never see this kind of rioting in the UK when a white man is shot by the police.

That is because UK white people do not have the rioting gene.

**blood reaper**

You posted in a way that made it seem like you would enjoy such an action.

**Cane**

Not sure why a wanted man would open fire against a police marksman squad; something doesn't seem right even for a criminal. Unless he wanted to die right then and there.

As for the area this article shed some light on why there was unrest especially after the killing:

There was "obviously a lot of anger" following Mr Duggan's death but tensions had been breeding for a while, he said.

Haringey has one of London's highest official unemployment rates at 8.8 per cent.

There is just one vacancy for every 54 jobseeker for every job in the borough.

Mr Flett said there were problems with gun crime and knife crime but the borough was also suffering from a brutal economy and cuts to public services.

Just last week it lost eight of its 13 youth clubs to the Con-Dem cuts.

Local teenagers told reporters that the closures would fuel gang violence and rioting, Mr Flett said.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/108012

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One eyewitness told BBC Radio that the crowd was in "uproar" after an unarmed teenage girl was beaten back by officers.

"The police line had actually charged toward her and started hitting her with batons.

"Subsequently it turned out she was only 16 and this made everyone absolutely go up in uproar," he said.

"There was no communication there, there was no 'we've heard what you have to say,' there was nothing," he said.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/108006

Yikes.

**Flashman**

Kilkrazy wrote:You never see this kind of rioting in the UK when a white man is shot by the police.

That is because UK white people do not have the rioting gene.

...unless they are a football supporter, a member of the BNP, an anarchist...

**Oski Bugmansson**

blood reaper wrote:You posted in a way that made it seem like you would enjoy such an action.

As I have explained it came out wrong... get over it

**Goliath**

Flashman wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:You never see this kind of rioting in the UK when a white man is shot by the police.

That is because UK white people do not have the rioting gene.

...unless they are a football supporter, a member of the BNP, an anarchist...

Dont' forget the EDL!

**Ahtman**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I don't care what race he was to be honest Ahtman, if he shoots at an Officer, and until more news comes forward, that seems to be the case, well, I have no sympathy for him.

That is fantastic and all, but he, being dead, didn't start the riot, but the incident seems to be the trigger for that community erupting in rage. It is only relevant in as such because of that. You seem to be focusing on the inciting indecent and not on the riot, or the actual causes of said riot, which I would bet is far more than just this shooting. There would need to be a serious sense of discontent and oppression, much like there riots in France a few years ago, for people to act in this way.

**Kilkrazy**

There is a reason why impoverished, minority communities regularly riot while well-off, majority communities don't.

**Albatross**

Whitey holding them down, I expect...