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Ben, we're working with that in the final version of the packets (which will release by tomorrow).

The notion behind it is that Flyers rarely can actually be within 3" of an objective - their hulls are all largely more than 3" off the ground. Given that is the case, we've leaned toward not counting them for Quarters either.

That's still one being decided, of course - thoughts?

Note - in the primer they don't count for scoring/denial for objectives purposes in any mission; it's always for Quarters (just either Heavy or Fast, in a couple of instances of Quarters).



There ARE VIP bags left; not very many, though, maybe 4 or 5. They now have over $300 in value inside of them (counting the $75 KR Multicase 2 Backpack itself).


The new White Dwarf Daemons are INDEED legal for the GT.

Well I think flyers should indeed count for quarters if they are heavy. I've been arguing consistently for flyer nerfs as you know , but in this case, if a land raider can score, a storm raven probably should too. I think the fact that night scythes will no longer count no matter what is enough of a nerf to necron flyer lists in that mission.

As for the speed issue, flyers do have crazy speed, but getting them in the quarter you want at the end of the game does require planning turns ahead since their movement is weird. A fast skimmer can also get to whatever quarter they want in one turn, and if they can score as a heavy choice, fliers probably should too.

But doesnt this add negatives to other armies? Such as a StormRaven for BA is a heavy choice but the exact same Storm Raven for GK is fast. Why would you then allow 1 and not the other?

I dont think that any flier regardless of how its taken should count for table quaters. The ability to flow over move 36 inches a turn gives fliers an unnatural advantage to the player that wants a quater.

Another question in that regard is what if a flier can go into hover mode? Does he then have the ability to score since skimmers can score?

Dont mind me my brain hurts!!

I say that with Big Guns Never Tire and The Scouring special rules, heavy support and fast attack fliers respectively can count for quarters, however not for objectives, simply because they CAN'T be within 3 inches.

DarkCorsair wrote:I say that with Big Guns Never Tire and The Scouring special rules, heavy support and fast attack fliers respectively can count for quarters, however not for objectives, simply because they CAN'T be within 3 inches.

I agree

I'm a big fan of simplicity here. Flyers should count as scoring for purposes of table quarters. It's not guaranteed that a player will be able to get the flyer to position exactly where they want, especially with random game length.

Narrative event question,

I picked up some of the NOVA narrative scenic bases, which are awesome!!, and realized that nothing in my army for the narrative event uses 40mm bases. I had picked up 10 for a squad of necron warriors, all 40mm. SO, with that being said....If I put some clear flyer stands in the bases and use them to mount annihilation barges on, is this going to be an issue with the judges if I have the original base there for modeling purposes. Otherwise I have 10 really cool bases for the narrative event that do not correctly fit on any of my models...lol...I guess the other option is to use them on necron warriors or HQ selections, but still the wrong size base...thanks....

That is a fantastic idea, the flyer base component. Also, for purposes of at least the narrative event, if you want to use some magnetization or something to mount key characters on the shattered emblem of the Oval Office or something, you are more than welcome to do so.

Quick questionas I am a little unsure of the wording. For GK inquisitors can a Malleus Inq Lord in TA have a Daemonblade?

In the wargear section it states he can replace bolt pistol and or chainsword with a daemon blade.

The TA secton says replaces armor bolt pistol and chainsword with TA and a daemon hammer.

So does this mean I can then replace the daemon hammer with a daemonblade for 15 points?

I put this oj the NOVA forums as I plan on bringing one to NOVA and want to make sure it is ok and not illegal before I go through the effort.

Grimwulfe wrote:Quick questionas I am a little unsure of the wording. For GK inquisitors can a Malleus Inq Lord in TA have a Daemonblade?

In the wargear section it states he can replace bolt pistol and or chainsword with a daemon blade.

The TA secton says replaces armor bolt pistol and chainsword with TA and a daemon hammer.

So does this mean I can then replace the daemon hammer with a daemonblade for 15 points?

I put this oj the NOVA forums as I plan on bringing one to NOVA and want to make sure it is ok and not illegal before I go through the effort.

As I read it, you cannot.

If you trade for daemon blade first, you no longer meet the requirements of equipment to swap into terminator armor. If you buy the TA upgrade, you no longer meet the requirements to swap for a daemonblade. Think it's one or the other I'm afraid.

Wasnt there a FAQ in the past where they stated that you dont have to replace the weapon. This is terribly unfortunate however as I had a very cool conversion idea for him... Thanks for the explination however.

Grimwulfe wrote:Wasnt there a FAQ in the past where they stated that you dont have to replace the weapon. This is terribly unfortunate however as I had a very cool conversion idea for him... Thanks for the explination however.

There is an faq entry (on the first page) which pertains to the psyker upgrade, stating you "may" upgrade one weapon to a force sword. Sort of similar situation, though wouldn't help here. Mike/NOVA crew are the final word on this, but as far as I can tell RAW says you can't.

I say do your super cool conversion (because who doesn't love seeing those?!) and just play it as it's supposed to be, letting your opponents know right off the bat. Conversely, find the points to upgrade to a psyker (extremely, extremely worth it this edition -> divination primaris power?), and that cool looking sword would be your force sword.

Blog post will get polished over the next couple days, and other draft final packets/etc. will be added:

http://whiskey40k.blogspot.com/2012/08/40k-draft-final-mission-packet-news-and.html

Any reason you went the way of quater and objective heavy missions? 3 Quaters and 4 Objective missions with only 1 KP mission seems a bit off balance or am I just not reading something right. Well either way looks like I need that 5th troop now lol

I think it's because something like only 1/6th of games nowadays are KP (or VP) based in the rulebook. So the change was made based on how the rulebook strutured 40k.

It was based upon the change to 40k, per Hulksmash.

5/6 missions involve board control/objectives. So, our Final 2 rounds don't incorporate KP as a primary (those are the Final Four for each bracket). There are 6 rounds that EVERYONE plays in, and those have 1 kp primary, 1 kp secondary, and 4 kp tertiaries.

You could of course try for the tactic of drawing down to KP in every mission, anticipating people bringing MORE KP in reaction to the base rulebook minimization of that component of the game. A gamble, sure.

Basically, the rulebook has a variety of new scoring-modification situations; those are all incorporated somehow. It has KP once, and that's in there once for the 6 rounds that everyone plays. It has 2 primary objectives only once, and that's incorporated in the Emperor's Will mission.

Etc.


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I feel I must add ...

Some of the finished, lit monuments for the 40k Narrative (all monuments will be lit):

Lincoln Memorial (this photo doesn't do it justice)


Native American Museum


US Capitol Building (done by NOVA-crew-grown Triage Terrain, a start-up mechanization-and-lighting-of-wargaming-models/terrain company ... two of our longest-standing staffers are starting this up


Jefferson Memorial in-progress photos:
http://www.novaopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jefferson-Production-for-8-1-Newsletter.pdf?utm_source=NOVA+Open+Newsletter%3A++August+1%2C+2012&utm_campaign=June2012&utm_medium=email

Additionally, some of the monuments still being polished:
Korean War Memorial
Vietnam War Memorial
The Reflecting Pool

and more

Some of our final terrain pieces from the last terrain day ... you'll play on these at NOVA:

It's going to be Fallout 3 at Nova this year. Those pieces look outstanding, especially the Native American Museum.

Those pieces look outstanding! I can't wait to play on the bottom ones at the Open.

Not sure if I missed this somewhere but if you are allies of convienence and lets say you are using GK and SW would the SW runic weapon nulify the GK power? I post this hear as ths may come up at NOVA so I figured might be a good add to the FAQ. Or im just not thinking straight and cant read right. Which may be totally plausible.

Per RAW, Runic Staves would have to be rolled against psychic powers cast by Allies of Convenience.

Ok thats what I thought thanks for the clarification my brain isnt working this Monday for some reason.

Updated NOVA FAQ, Trios Rules, and Narrative Packet incoming today.

For reference to all - In Trios, all Allies within Doubles games will act as Allies of Convenience or Battle Brothers. In short, Desperate Allies will operate as Allies of Convenience.

This is in part due to the nature of the event, and in part to prevent those who were signed up and prepared prior to 6ed release from having armies invalidated by non-scoring oddities (which of us exactly doesn't score?), or random badnesses.

What point limit is the invitational? Are you keeping the same as the GT this year?

I was under the impression that it was 1750 but now that I look at it I can't find that. Do tell Mike

1750, just like last year

BOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Just do 2k, everyone is bringing it anyway

1) Learn to play
2) No
3) 1750 in 2 hours in a new edition is tight enough
4) Enjoy your 2k in 2.5 hours (GT) or 3 hours (trios/narrative)
5) No

6) Love you!

MVBrandt wrote:6) Love you!

There is no six!

(Bonus points for the reference)

Pythontastic

Oh Mike, you say the nicest things