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Counters as the second SG. like it.
Can't have enough counters ^^

65k Free counters to both pledge levels. I'll take some free counters

Why are people signing up to the $150 option when there are still $145 early birds still available???

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Daedleh, any chance you can forward this up the chain and have them look into it? Currently most people don't use them anyway, so their removal wouldn't be much of a problem.

Thanks for the food for thought Vermis!

Why forward it up the chain when it's already been done

Ooooh you're good Cheers mate, much appreciated!

So looking at the bundles...

undead mega starter army ~130 models
undead starter army ~ 55 models

I would be inclined towards making my own starter box but the math is in the favor of just getting one army for the value of it.

Great that the counters are free but they look like the DZ ones and they were rubbish! The ones from the last KoW and DB KS were fantastic though!

Early birds are gone. I snag the last one!

 GrimDork wrote:
So looking at the bundles...

undead mega starter army ~130 models
undead starter army ~ 55 models

I would be inclined towards making my own starter box but the math is in the favor of just getting one army for the value of it.

If you don't include the price of the rulebook, going strictly off the miniatures cost, it is about even if not costs more (depending on which Starter Army) to go the 2 starter army set. When you compare with the Mega army, then you save anywhere from 15-40 over retail. Granted that will change as they add more things.

One odd thing I noticed unfortunately on their website. When I go to purchase (if it is set to US currency) it can cost me anywhere from $15-30 more than if i just check out in GBP and let Paypal/CC do the conversion for me.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Why are people signing up to the $150 option when there are still $145 early birds still available???

Happens with every KS.

I don't understand it either.

Their website has done that for a long time, I'm not sure what's going on, or if it's deliberate or accidental/software related.

I'm not sure if we're on the same page DS. Concerning the $150(where you can add 2 starters or 1 mega) pledge OR adding on one mega army vs two starter armies:
You would get 130 undead models for $100, OR 110 undead models for $100. It's not a *huge* difference, but it's there.


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^And now it looks like they'll be adding characters to the mega armies too. Definitely seems like the better option over two starters.

overtyrant wrote:
Great that the counters are free but they look like the DZ ones and they were rubbish! The ones from the last KoW and DB KS were fantastic though!

Well it does say "designs to be confirmed"

85K seems a bit steep for a 2 model stretch?

Mantic said in the comments plastic movement trays from Renedra are one of the stretches, or a future add on at least

Okay, that went live sooner than I thought. And funded too!

I know I said I'd probably pass on this, but I think I'm gonna do the rulebook pledge. They're looking pretty delicious

Any indication of what material the heroes will be made out of?

Yes, I am biased, but can I say how much I love Mantic at least always holding true to their "Great games, cheap huge armies" origins.

I was kind of hoping $300 would snag me two 1500pt armies and the rules, for the wife and I...

... instead for $250, it is two 2000pt armies and rules.

Wow... just wow. This makes it soooo hard to even entertain starting Warhammer Fantasy, as the price disparity and apparently quality of rules gulf, are just astronomical.

Vermis wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Daedleh -

Are they looking into the fact that no one finds taking standards for units worthwhile? All the lists I see have people not bothering to take them. Seemed strange to me, as it's almost a must-include in other game systems.

By 'other game systems' do you mean Warhammer and... uh... Warhammer? Most games I've seen auto-include unit banners by not bothering about them. TBH that's another point: I'd rather Mantic didn't bother about them either. They and musicians are like another GW throwback: a layer of crunch, with minimal, self-cancelling effects, that doesn't quite fit with the streamlined theme of KoW. They're a bit pointless.

Fenriswulf wrote:Actually, you know, dropping the need for banners and musicians entirely is something I could completely get behind for units. That way you can model them if you wish, otherwise you can leave them behind. The Army Standard Bearers could stay around for their bonus', but the unit ones could become merely decorative. I really like that idea.

I disagree entirely. Standards are auto-include for all of my armies; the fact that they help a nerve check even against Shooting makes them infinitely more valuable. I cannot even begin to count the number of times I've successfully avoided being wavered thanks to the Standard's -1 to the opponent's Nerve check against your unit. Musicians only give you a +1 bonus when you're in close combat.

The deals are nice I guess. The problem is for every model that I like or tolerate, there appears to be a model that has assembly issues or just looks terrible. I'm still interested.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Yes, I am biased, but can I say how much I love Mantic at least always holding true to their "Great games, cheap huge armies" origins.

I was kind of hoping $300 would snag me two 1500pt armies and the rules, for the wife and I...

... instead for $250, it is two 2000pt armies and rules.

Wow... just wow. This makes it soooo hard to even entertain starting Warhammer Fantasy, as the price disparity and apparently quality of rules gulf, are just astronomical.

Where did you get 2000 points from?

Going off their free rules on the website, I've totted up a few of the mega-starters and they come to around 1000 points each.

Double post gaff.

Would be cool if they did some terrain for Kings of War.. I know there's a lot of stuff out there but still, it'd be nice.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Mantic said in the comments plastic movement trays from Renedra are one of the stretches, or a future add on at least

Those fit the bill for half of the units (20mm bases), but not for the large based stuff or the cavalry. Some 125x50 trays (cavalry) and 125x100 trays (infantry) would be very popular I think.

 GrimDork wrote:
Their website has done that for a long time, I'm not sure what's going on, or if it's deliberate or accidental/software related.

I'm not sure if we're on the same page DS. Concerning the $150(where you can add 2 starters or 1 mega) pledge OR adding on one mega army vs two starter armies:
You would get 130 undead models for $100, OR 110 undead models for $100. It's not a *huge* difference, but it's there.

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^And now it looks like they'll be adding characters to the mega armies too. Definitely seems like the better option over two starters.

Yeah I've never had an issue with conversion with other websites, but noticed when I was doing comparisons today... unfortunately that means it cost me some extra money that I lost because of it. Oh well, means I just need to be smarter and double check conversions next time.

I wasn't entirely talking purely miniatures count. I was comparing retail prices. I did forget to do $ conversion at the time (been doing too many KS with £), but was looking at straight retail prices if I bought the sets currently from Mantic. I know they will add miniatures in the future, they always tend too and that is when the real value (they tend to get known for) can start to pile on. Yes the value is already in the Mega Starter vs 2 Starter Armie.

2 Undead Starters (110 miniatures) - £74.98 (if you retailed Undead One Player Battle Set) or £84.98
2 Elf Starters (112 miniatures) - £95.96
2 Basilean Starters (86 miniatures) - £114.94

Undead Mega Starter (133 miniatures) - £112.43
Elf Mega Starter (132 miniatures) - £130.91
Basilean Mega Starter (106 miniatures) - £139.93



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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I was kind of hoping $300 would snag me two 1500pt armies and the rules, for the wife and I...

It just started, give it a few days and stretch goals as they always add to their packages.

 GrimDork wrote:
I'm not sure if we're on the same page DS.

You actually were. He was comparing the two pledges to retail value and saying that the Mega Army gives more of a discount than two of the Starter armies.

I WANT MANTIC DINOSAURS.

Even if I have to get multiple Blaine's slice them off, and put new riders, I want me some dino riding cavalry. SERIOUSLY.

I would happily ditch my lazy looking lizards that my current lizardmen cavalry consists of.

Ahh yeah, coffee hadn't settled in, you were (probably more intelligently) going by retail value where I was going off of raw model count.

If nobody beats me to it, I'm gonna have to do a current edition breakdown of the arm(y/ies) that I'd be inclined to get. For points, I mean.


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From DS's analysis... the basileans are in the lead, too bad I don't care for the men at arms. Or well the aesthetic in general, I always preferred the gritty empire style for human armies.

 GrimDork wrote:
If nobody beats me to it, I'm gonna have to do a current edition breakdown of the arm(y/ies) that I'd be inclined to get. For points, I mean.

Currently working on a spreadsheet with that, comparing pledges, points and price actually.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
If nobody beats me to it, I'm gonna have to do a current edition breakdown of the arm(y/ies) that I'd be inclined to get. For points, I mean.

Currently working on a spreadsheet with that, comparing pledges, points and price actually.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Mega Armies
Undead - 795
Elves - 1190
Dwarfs - 1175
Orcs - 715
Abyssal Dwarfs - 850
Goblins - 775
Basileans - 1130
Ogres 1115

Starter Armies
Undead - 305
Dwarf - 640
Elves - 770
Orcs - 385
Abyssal Dwarfs - 405
Goblins - 325
Basileans - 520
Ogres - 520