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This is kind of funny. This Ulthwe trait doesn't make me want to take gardians - it makes me want to take the exact list I've been taking the whole time in 8th. Wave serpants and wraithgaurd. Maybe a 20 man guardian squad supported by a warlock conclave could be pretty good though. We still don't know what battle focus will be - hopefully it is improved.

 Marfuzzo wrote:
btw since we understood it's gonna be a copy and paste in any case what do you bet for the rest?
I'd say
saim-han: white scars/black templars
biel tan: the one saim-han does get
alaitoc: raven guard

I would love to see Biel-tan get Salamanders. It'd be pretty weird to give them something purely CC or shooting oriented, and this promotes MSU Aspects.

I agree that White Scars make a lot of sense for Saim-Hann, though it'd also be odd insofar as a small amount of extra advance distance mostly benefits Wraithguard. Black Templars would be pretty weird since the thematically Saim-Hann units don't particularly want to charge, but then the Iyanden one is weird that way too. Really it's only Shining Spears that want anything to do with CC.

Yesterday I would have just assumed that Alatoic get the Raven Guard tactic, but the Ulthwe article seems to say that flyers get Attributes. -2 to hit on all of them and maybe even -3 on a Hemlock if Conceal still works the same way seems ridiculous.

 Fafnir wrote:
So, right now we're looking at another copy/paste codex without a whole lot of regard for flavour and some real underwhelming stuff popping out so far.

Looks a lot less IG and a lot more Admech so far.

IG Codex seems to have been a rather large mis-step in terms of power, it was to be hoped that the Eldar Codex would not be similar.

Between a considerable cut in points and the vastly expanded Runes of Fate discipline, Eldrad Ulthran makes for the perfect leader for an Ulthwé army (it helps that he’ll be available to pre-order in plastic at the same time as the codex, too!).

These Craftworld Attributes are just odd as in not what one might intuitively expect for their theme. Ulthwe getting a resilience one (even if it is handwaved away as prescience) buffing even vehicles and wraith constructs, while Iyanden gets a morale one.

Stoic, resolute craftworld that has endured much? Mechanically I'd prefer a higher chance of survival for my Wraith units, but it doesn't seem that morale benefit is so far fetched.

Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

I'll be curious to see how the Webway Assault is handled (since they alluded to discussing it on their Twitch channel this Friday), because I feel like a 20 strong Guardian unit showing up in the backfield, hitting on 2s and getting a 4++ sounds pretty entertaining.

So black guardians have the yellow guardian trait and the yellow have the black trait LMAO

Thematically those traits clearly should be switched but whatever lol.

 Red Corsair wrote:
So black guardians have the yellow guardian trait and the yellow have the black trait LMAO

Thematically those traits clearly should be switched but whatever lol.

Yep, I can see a lot of Craftworld players swapping the rules they use - but then they'll lose some stratagems which might be thematically appropriate etc...we'll see.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

Have we - not on the front page that I can see?

Do we know it Attributes effects all Craftworld units or just infantry and wraith constructs as seems likely?

 Elbows wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So black guardians have the yellow guardian trait and the yellow have the black trait LMAO

Thematically those traits clearly should be switched but whatever lol.

Yep, I can see a lot of Craftworld players swapping the rules they use - but then they'll lose some stratagems which might be thematically appropriate etc...we'll see.

I mean it's not a huge deal and as you said, need to see what else they each get. Ulthwe are supposed to be psycher heavy so maybe they get a buff their (+1 to cast maybe?) plus one has Yriel and the other eldrad.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

Where ?

The article was updated with the new Path of Command

"Come back tomorrow, when we’ll be checking out the indomitable warriors of Biel-Tan, alongside a new Stratagem that’ll make your Avatar of Khaine all but invincible…"

Cautiously optimistic but preparing for disappointment

Hmmmm I notice combat guardians mixed with shooty guardians. Thisis either another blunder by the studio photographers or a portent of some epic changes.

 HudsonD wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

Where ?

I just found this on 4chan https://i.imgur.com/Zmx3YMD.jpg

 Red Corsair wrote:


Hmmmm I notice combat guardians mixed with shooty guardians. Thisis either another blunder by the studio photographers or a portent of some epic changes.

Nah, it;s the same images that were used during all the Gathering Storm stuff - in particular the Black guardian squad loadout from them. They just couldn't be asked taking a new photo is all.

I'd be down with Guardians being 1 choice with all the options of both Storms and Defenders

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
So, right now we're looking at another copy/paste codex without a whole lot of regard for flavour and some real underwhelming stuff popping out so far.

Looks a lot less IG and a lot more Admech so far.

IG Codex seems to have been a rather large mis-step in terms of power, it was to be hoped that the Eldar Codex would not be similar.

My reference was more towards the copy/paste nature of the codex, rather than raw power. IG ended up getting a bunch of unique and characterful faction traits, while Eldar are getting a bunch that not only quick pastejobs, but also ones that don't seem to make a whole lot of sense in fluff context either.

As for the Eldar codex likely being underpowered, that's going to go without saying. It'll likely end up having one or two functioning combinations, with the possibility of a few broken aspects thanks to poor oversight involved in combining copy/paste rules with more specific unit rules. Hopefully it won't be as disappointing as Admech.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Spoiler:

Hmmmm I notice combat guardians mixed with shooty guardians. Thisis either another blunder by the studio photographers or a portent of some epic changes.

Nah, it;s the same images that were used during all the Gathering Storm stuff - in particular the Black guardian squad loadout from them. They just couldn't be asked taking a new photo is all.

Ah my bad then, shame. Would have been nice.

 xttz wrote:

 HudsonD wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

Where ?

I just found this on 4chan https://i.imgur.com/Zmx3YMD.jpg

God I hope not, really not feeling the Biel-Tan one

+1 ld when the Avatar makes them immune to morale anyway.

Re-roll 1's with shuriken weapons which most aspect warriors don't use

man, I can't wait to stop hearing admech p[layers whinge. Nothing wrong with that book, my brother has been stomping people and having a blast with it.

Imagine 2 years ago when Admech were a gamer geeks wet dream then think to now where they are already entitled to MOAR.

 xttz wrote:

 HudsonD wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Btw we have all the Craftworlds traits leaks

Where ?

I just found this on 4chan https://i.imgur.com/Zmx3YMD.jpg

The Biel-tan and Saim-Hann ones here are such total garbage that even for GW it's hard to believe.

A shame the Eldar Traits, not because they aren't powerfull, they have the -1 to hit on 12" etc... but because they are very... bland.

The Regimental Doctrines of IG were all very, very good, and not just in power, but in variety, fluffynes, originality, etc...
The Catachan one modified one stat of your units FFS!

That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

 Silentz wrote:
That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

Those are suspiciously accurate guesses then, as the Iyanden and Ulthwe ones don't really match the fluff at all and seem completely out of left field.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
So, right now we're looking at another copy/paste codex without a whole lot of regard for flavour and some real underwhelming stuff popping out so far.

Looks a lot less IG and a lot more Admech so far.

IG Codex seems to have been a rather large mis-step in terms of power, it was to be hoped that the Eldar Codex would not be similar.

My reference was more towards the copy/paste nature of the codex, rather than raw power. IG ended up getting a bunch of unique and characterful faction traits, while Eldar are getting a bunch that not only quick pastejobs, but also ones that don't seem to make a whole lot of sense in fluff context either.

As for the Eldar codex likely being underpowered, that's going to go without saying. It'll likely end up having one or two functioning combinations, with the possibility of a few broken aspects thanks to poor oversight involved in combining copy/paste rules with more specific unit rules. Hopefully it won't be as disappointing as Admech.

Agreed re the fluff - however if its in line with the other non IG codexes then its a power boost over the Index (and all those not likely to get Indexes for months).

The codexes are pretty lazy sadly but its a cash cow for GW rather than an all factions update book or similar. So no one wins - a few get OP codexes, some get dull codexes and some get sweet FA.

I just found this on 4chan https://i.imgur.com/Zmx3YMD.jpg

Ah right thanks for that.

chosen_of_khaine wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

Those are suspiciously accurate guesses then, as the Iyanden and Ulthwe ones don't really match the fluff at all and seem completely out of left field.

Haha that's a really good point.

I think we've always suspected Alaitoc will be Raven Guard/Alpha Legion. Presumably they will get the infiltrate stratagem then?

 Silentz wrote:
That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

So you're telling me that person just happened to accurately guess the exact rules Iyanden and Ulthwe got?



Jokes aside, I'm assuming the Saim-Hann word one is just worded badly and that ignoring -1 to-hit for Heavy weapons is universal rather than Jetbikes-only. Still not a great trait though. Re-rolling charges is ok for most of the Jetbike units but not worth it on the most common Jetbike unit.

Caederes wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

So you're telling me that person just happened to accurately guess the exact rules Iyanden and Ulthwe got?



Jokes aside, I'm assuming the Saim-Hann word one is just worded badly and that ignoring -1 to-hit for Heavy weapons is universal rather than Jetbikes-only. Still not a great trait though.

than it's done...oh god the biel-tan one is just depressing...
the alaitoc one applied to tanks and wraith-construct is devastating
the saim-hann one is ok if they fix the scatter laser with an heavy 5...and shining spears rerolling charges is beautiful...i always field at least a unit as an ulthwe' player

 Silentz wrote:

chosen_of_khaine wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
That image is pure speciuulation, posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago by someone saying "what do you guys think of these?"

Those are suspiciously accurate guesses then, as the Iyanden and Ulthwe ones don't really match the fluff at all and seem completely out of left field.

Haha that's a really good point.

I think we've always suspected Alaitoc will be Raven Guard/Alpha Legion. Presumably they will get the infiltrate stratagem then?

Yeah, though I think even that kinda goes against the fluff (I'm not a big fan of Alaitoc so I could be off on this) as I thought the reason there are so many rangers/outcasts/pathfinders is because the craftworld itself is extremely strict in its "path" system, causing many younger Eldar to choose the path of the outcast instead. So in other words, it's not the craftworld itself that uses sneaky tactics, but those that leave.

Also, I'm *hoping* a deep strike stratagem is for all Craftworlds at this point.