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 Xenomancers wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I dunno, if a trio of Repulsors dropped 3 squads of Hellblasters or Aggressors on my front line, I don't know how good my front lines would look after that. Also, that's not even accounting for the Executioner's attacks.

It may not be the new meta breaking ITC boss haxor l33t tactics yo, but it's still a good ability that, if the costs come back positive, will be a good look for Primaris.

Before the flaming starts about how dumb and stupid I am, I would have fun playing this way. Right or wrong, this would be an enjoyable setup for an army.

I've run that army before. It can win if you go first. Auto lose if you go second. Very poor army. You can't win a game with literally 0 invo saves.

Use the concealed postions strat. Now they've all got 2+ saves

 Togusa wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Oh for sure.

I think a lot of the hate on Repulsors isn't about power level. It's about two things:

1. They're ugly as all heck.
2. They're a missed opportunity due to their confused design.

This new version looks a lot better. I like that they removed the bolters from the side.

Uhhh...It's not ulgy though. It looks like some kind of futuristic hover tank. Some people just hate all primaris. Lots of people hate all marines stuff cause they jealous of the model support. Going consensus from actually marine players is they love the repulsor. How could you not? It's a flying landraider. Looks a lot like a landraider.

 Stux wrote:
Oh for sure.

I think a lot of the hate on Repulsors isn't about power level. It's about two things:

1. They're ugly as all heck.
2. They're a missed opportunity due to their confused design.

That's your opinion. It's not ugly or a missed opportunity.
Do you hate every other Marine vehicle as well? The Repulsor is a good evolution of the Land Raider shape but actually looks like it can function and won't get beached.

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Dude I don't have any "best on the table top units". Of course repulsors aren't the worst. The rest of the marine tank line exists. But EXTERNALLY they are garbage still.

And yes, I primarily face top tournament units. So many plaguebearers. I'm so sick of plaguebearers.

They aren't garbage at all, that's the thing.

I certainly agree that they aren't the top vehicles on the table, that's not in question. They do work however, an can perform at the highest level.

A lot of people are literally dismissing things because they aren't "winning large tournaments"
That is plain wrong. .

PS: They work great against plaguebearers. Loads of shots and can't be tied up.


Let's all stop with the hyperbolic comments and absolutes.

Those aren't the only opponents. They're like very other marine unit: work okay 40% of the time, get smoked 60% of the time. I'm dismissed them because I've killed a ton of these things with frickin BA, the worst list in the game. They are not impressive. Lack of invuln puts them way behind the 8-ball. When you consider the cost, repulsors are indeed garbage. Unfortunately.

 Ishagu wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I dunno, if a trio of Repulsors dropped 3 squads of Hellblasters or Aggressors on my front line, I don't know how good my front lines would look after that. Also, that's not even accounting for the Executioner's attacks.

It may not be the new meta breaking ITC boss haxor l33t tactics yo, but it's still a good ability that, if the costs come back positive, will be a good look for Primaris.

Before the flaming starts about how dumb and stupid I am, I would have fun playing this way. Right or wrong, this would be an enjoyable setup for an army.

I've run that army before. It can win if you go first. Auto lose if you go second. Very poor army. You can't win a game with literally 0 invo saves.

Use the concealed postions strat. Now they've all got 2+ saves

So great now I got a 6+ save vs AP-4.
Things that routinely rape my Respulsors where there is almost no point in rolling dice - the kill is close automatic.
Hemlocks
Crimson hunters
Nutron lasers
Castellan knights
Knight crusaders
Shinning spears
Obliterators

Repulsors are probably the least durable per point unit in the game vs anti armor weapons. Just a guess.

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Dude I don't have any "best on the table top units". Of course repulsors aren't the worst. The rest of the marine tank line exists. But EXTERNALLY they are garbage still.

And yes, I primarily face top tournament units. So many plaguebearers. I'm so sick of plaguebearers.

They aren't garbage at all, that's the thing.

I certainly agree that they aren't the top vehicles on the table, that's not in question. They do work however, an can perform at the highest level.

A lot of people are literally dismissing things because they aren't "winning large tournaments"
That is plain wrong. .

PS: They work great against plaguebearers. Loads of shots and can't be tied up.


Let's all stop with the hyperbolic comments and absolutes.

Those aren't the only opponents. They're like very other marine unit: work okay 40% of the time, get smoked 60% of the time. I'm dismissed them because I've killed a ton of these things with frickin BA, the worst list in the game. They are not impressive. Lack of invuln puts them way behind the 8-ball.

Ok you dismiss them. Now move on. You hate everything that isn't winning tournaments, we get it.

I'm actually calling you out. Either your group is incompetent or you are making things up. I see you in every topic talking things down.

STompas with no KFF.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I dunno, if a trio of Repulsors dropped 3 squads of Hellblasters or Aggressors on my front line, I don't know how good my front lines would look after that. Also, that's not even accounting for the Executioner's attacks.

It may not be the new meta breaking ITC boss haxor l33t tactics yo, but it's still a good ability that, if the costs come back positive, will be a good look for Primaris.

Before the flaming starts about how dumb and stupid I am, I would have fun playing this way. Right or wrong, this would be an enjoyable setup for an army.

I've run that army before. It can win if you go first. Auto lose if you go second. Very poor army. You can't win a game with literally 0 invo saves.

Use the concealed postions strat. Now they've all got 2+ saves

So great now I got a 6+ save vs AP-4.
Things that routinely rape my Respulsors where there is almost no point in rolling dice - the kill is close automatic.
Hemlocks
Crimson hunters
Nutron lasers
Castellan knights
Knight crusaders
Shinning spears
Obliterators

Repulsors are probably the least durable per point unit in the game vs anti armor weapons. Just a guess.

I can destroy those things in one turn as well. invul or no Invul.

How many games a week do you play? I wonder why you're so worried about a unit getting destroyed. I used to be like this when I was nervous because I played once every 3 months.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Dude I don't have any "best on the table top units". Of course repulsors aren't the worst. The rest of the marine tank line exists. But EXTERNALLY they are garbage still.

And yes, I primarily face top tournament units. So many plaguebearers. I'm so sick of plaguebearers.

They aren't garbage at all, that's the thing.

I certainly agree that they aren't the top vehicles on the table, that's not in question. They do work however, an can perform at the highest level.

A lot of people are literally dismissing things because they aren't "winning large tournaments"
That is plain wrong. .

PS: They work great against plaguebearers. Loads of shots and can't be tied up.


Let's all stop with the hyperbolic comments and absolutes.

They work great if your opponent doesn't bring multi damage weapons with AP. It is routinely 1 shot by several dedicated shooting units. Basically that means its garbage. Spending 280ish points on a unit that can easily be 1 shot is bottom tier garbage. A wave serpent is more durable in most respects.


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 Apple Peel wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I dunno, if a trio of Repulsors dropped 3 squads of Hellblasters or Aggressors on my front line, I don't know how good my front lines would look after that. Also, that's not even accounting for the Executioner's attacks.

It may not be the new meta breaking ITC boss haxor l33t tactics yo, but it's still a good ability that, if the costs come back positive, will be a good look for Primaris.

Before the flaming starts about how dumb and stupid I am, I would have fun playing this way. Right or wrong, this would be an enjoyable setup for an army.

I've run that army before. It can win if you go first. Auto lose if you go second. Very poor army. You can't win a game with literally 0 invo saves.

Did you play that army before? Just three Repulsors? There have been some variations on the idea, I believe. The first popular one being Repulsor trio, double Redemptor, primaris blood angels with smash captain. That one did quite well in a couple tournies, I believe.

Ultras with Gman and 3 Repulsor. Really good damage output. Good chance at losing all 2-3 repulsors in a single turn though.

What I read about the BA list, all three Repulsors were kitted out for max damage. They were covered in Intercessors for protection. The whole army was walking gunline. The Repulsors pulled attention away from the smash captain and Redemptors, so they could mess everything else up. With BA trait, the redemptors were even giving Knights a good thrashing. I don’t know how you seem to lose your Repulsors so easily. From the reports I read on the BA list, at least one Repulsor usually survived until the end of the game.

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Dude I don't have any "best on the table top units". Of course repulsors aren't the worst. The rest of the marine tank line exists. But EXTERNALLY they are garbage still.

And yes, I primarily face top tournament units. So many plaguebearers. I'm so sick of plaguebearers.

They aren't garbage at all, that's the thing.

I certainly agree that they aren't the top vehicles on the table, that's not in question. They do work however, an can perform at the highest level.

A lot of people are literally dismissing things because they aren't "winning large tournaments"
That is plain wrong. .

PS: They work great against plaguebearers. Loads of shots and can't be tied up.


Let's all stop with the hyperbolic comments and absolutes.

Those aren't the only opponents. They're like very other marine unit: work okay 40% of the time, get smoked 60% of the time. I'm dismissed them because I've killed a ton of these things with frickin BA, the worst list in the game. They are not impressive. Lack of invuln puts them way behind the 8-ball.

Ok you dismiss them. Now move on. You hate everything that isn't winning tournaments, we get it.

I'm actually calling you out. Either your group is incompetent or you are making things up. I see you in every topic talking things down.

Ohhh. You're calling me out. Marines are bad. Good look at 40kstats.com. It's all right there. Someone else already did all the work on that one, chief.

"things" being terrible marine units, yes. Get a grip.

So you only care about tournament performance. Got it.

My sweet, insecure, summer child.

3 Repulsors are 48 T8 wounds that can't be locked up. They aren't easy to kill. Especially when surrounded by other units. You just don't play the game properly :-)

Is there another metric you recommend?

Fun quotient?

Is getting smoked fun? If not, why would I use the repulsor hull?

Martel732 wrote:
Is getting smoked fun? If not, why would I use the repulsor hull?

Afraid to lose a single game? Afraid to master the game and win with lists that aren't copying others? Afraid to get better?

That's you

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is getting smoked fun? If not, why would I use the repulsor hull?

Afraid to lose a single game? Afraid to master the game and win with lists that aren't copying others? Afraid to get better?

That's you

I don't copy other lists. There are almost no BA lists TO copy. Try again?


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 Ishagu wrote:
So you only care about tournament performance. Got it.

My sweet, insecure, summer child.

3 Repulsors are 48 T8 wounds that can't be locked up. They aren't easy to kill. Especially when surrounded by other units. You just don't play the game properly :-)

Maybe you play vs scrubs. That's the usual common denominator with marine success stories. That or Gman.

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is getting smoked fun? If not, why would I use the repulsor hull?

Afraid to lose a single game? Afraid to master the game and win with lists that aren't copying others? Afraid to get better?

That's you

I don't copy other lists. There are almost no BA lists TO copy. Try again?

BA triple Repulsor double Redemptor?

Yeah, I don't have the models for that. And I'm not going to.

I have fun making names and sound effects for the units I'm using during matches. And let me tell you, the Marines lists always come up with the best sound effects!

(Contempter Dread) FISTO ROBOTO moving in for the kill!!!

See? Fun.

 Ishagu wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Oh for sure.

I think a lot of the hate on Repulsors isn't about power level. It's about two things:

1. They're ugly as all heck.
2. They're a missed opportunity due to their confused design.

That's your opinion. It's not ugly or a missed opportunity.
Do you hate every other Marine vehicle as well? The Repulsor is a good evolution of the Land Raider shape but actually looks like it can function and won't get beached.

Actually I'm a big Primaris fan. I have a large Dark Angel army that is entirely Primaris or Terminators (though the latter don't see the table much at the moment...).

The issue I and many others have with the Repulsor is the haphazard way so many different guns are tacked onto it. It just looks silly to me, like something a child would come up with. The actual hull is a box, but I'm fine with a tank being a box.

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is getting smoked fun? If not, why would I use the repulsor hull?

Afraid to lose a single game? Afraid to master the game and win with lists that aren't copying others? Afraid to get better?

That's you

I don't copy other lists. There are almost no BA lists TO copy. Try again?


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 Ishagu wrote:
So you only care about tournament performance. Got it.

My sweet, insecure, summer child.

3 Repulsors are 48 T8 wounds that can't be locked up. They aren't easy to kill. Especially when surrounded by other units. You just don't play the game properly :-)

Maybe you play vs scrubs. That's the usual common denominator with marine success stories. That or Gman.

So you don't actually play the game very much? You'd be too scared to lose with your limited armies. Are you a vocal backseat gamer? lol

This is your "calling out"? Pathetic. Go get some real data and facts and come back.

Martel732 wrote:
Yeah, I don't have the models for that. And I'm not going to.

So there are competitive options out there, but you just don’t want to try the meta stuff? Sounds dumb to me.

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Dude I don't have any "best on the table top units". Of course repulsors aren't the worst. The rest of the marine tank line exists. But EXTERNALLY they are garbage still.

And yes, I primarily face top tournament units. So many plaguebearers. I'm so sick of plaguebearers.

They aren't garbage at all, that's the thing.

I certainly agree that they aren't the top vehicles on the table, that's not in question. They do work however, an can perform at the highest level.

A lot of people are literally dismissing things because they aren't "winning large tournaments"
That is plain wrong. .

PS: They work great against plaguebearers. Loads of shots and can't be tied up.


Let's all stop with the hyperbolic comments and absolutes.

Those aren't the only opponents. They're like very other marine unit: work okay 40% of the time, get smoked 60% of the time. I'm dismissed them because I've killed a ton of these things with frickin BA, the worst list in the game. They are not impressive. Lack of invuln puts them way behind the 8-ball.

Ok you dismiss them. Now move on. You hate everything that isn't winning tournaments, we get it.

I'm actually calling you out. Either your group is incompetent or you are making things up. I see you in every topic talking things down.

Ohhh. You're calling me out. Marines are bad. Good look at 40kstats.com. It's all right there. Someone else already did all the work on that one, chief.

"things" being terrible marine units, yes. Get a grip.

The fact that "40KStats.com" even exists makes me sad.

The game will be much more fun if the competitives will leave and go find some other game to play.

@Martel

You should get some real facts. You are dismissing units you don't own and have never used.

You don't see me lecturing GSC players on how to play because I don't own the models or the army.

How many Repulsors do you have? Show me your Primaris army or stop talking about things you don't know. You can't understand how something can function fully unless you've used it multiple times.
Here's two of mine:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2018/10/3/a033b59838476ef9baea41ebb66e3a73_121715.jpg

Wow, do you offer painting classes?

 Stux wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Oh for sure.

I think a lot of the hate on Repulsors isn't about power level. It's about two things:

1. They're ugly as all heck.
2. They're a missed opportunity due to their confused design.

That's your opinion. It's not ugly or a missed opportunity.
Do you hate every other Marine vehicle as well? The Repulsor is a good evolution of the Land Raider shape but actually looks like it can function and won't get beached.

Actually I'm a big Primaris fan. I have a large Dark Angel army that is entirely Primaris or Terminators (though the latter don't see the table much at the moment...).

The issue I and many others have with the Repulsor is the haphazard way so many different guns are tacked onto it. It just looks silly to me, like something a child would come up with. The actual hull is a box, but I'm fine with a tank being a box.

Modern battle tanks have similar weapon arrangements. Smoke launchers on turret. Pintle MG. Coaxel MG. They dont have hull mounted weapons but every other tank in 40k has those too. The only thing that is somewhat unconventional is the 3 turret mounted small arms on the sides. That is a lot more like a B29 or something. Hard to see why a storm bolter on the side of something would ruin a model for you though. I think there is something else going on there. Like...The real LR has sponson mounted weapons...

On a per point basis it is probably a mid-tier vehicle.

Out performed by armor from nearly every other faction (sorry orcs, maybe grot guns?): tank commanders, bane variants, guard artillery, valkyries, calidus, telemons, eldar flyers, wave serpents, knights, chaos FW dreads, hive guard, ravagers, broadsides, necron flyers, doomsday arks and I'd put Xiphons and leviathan dreads above them as well.

About on par with fire prisms, regular russes, FW sisters stuff? and other stuff I've probably never seen before. While above the rest of the astartes offerings.

They suffer from a lot of the issues with marines in addition to the lack of a chapter tactic. Priced as if they are in a guilliman bubble, pay for abilities they can't leverage fully (transport in this instance), weakness of marine weapons (las-cannons just don't work in a world with so many invlun saves), lack of good strats (shoot twice, advance and shoot, +1 save, -1 to hit, re-roll hits/wounds please), lack of invlun, they do a job that marines already have plenty of tools to do (kill infantry) and poorly costed troops leaving less points for proper screens/more toys.

They aren't the worst unit in the game but they are worse (marginally to substantially) than just about every other vehicle you will see on competitive tables. Not that you can't win with them but you will be at a competitive disadvantage against well tuned lists (which you may see every game or no games depending on your local meta/tournament attendance).

If you get lucky, get good match-ups, out-play your opponent you can totally win with them in your list. But realize at the highest level you will face better lists (per point more killey/resilient/more tools) and you will be fighting an up-hill battle where your repulsors are putting you at a disadvantage.

Although they may soon again be in the garbage pile with the soon to be released chaos knights. Hopefully GW has learned a thing or two from regular knight releases but judging them based on the power level of the newly released chaos stuff (lord discos, the purge, chain sword murder man, Contorted Epitome...) and how bad GW is at balancing in general I'm not excited.

It's actually kinda a quick interpretation of the M2/M3 Bradly or the Stryker. Except they took off the tracks and made it "hover". If you look at it from the side, it's very clearly a Bradley/Stryker.

As for all the up guns, well, this is 40k. Shiz get's cray cray.

That's only a superficial comparison. The tank is highly armoured, and very large in size.

I wouldn't personally draw too many comparisons to real world vehicles.


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bananathug wrote:
On a per point basis it is probably a mid-tier vehicle.

Out performed by armor from nearly every other faction (sorry orcs, maybe grot guns?): tank commanders, bane variants, guard artillery, valkyries, calidus, telemons, eldar flyers, wave serpents, knights, chaos FW dreads, hive guard, ravagers, broadsides, necron flyers, doomsday arks and I'd put Xiphons and leviathan dreads above them as well.

About on par with fire prisms, regular russes, FW sisters stuff? and other stuff I've probably never seen before. While above the rest of the astartes offerings.

They suffer from a lot of the issues with marines in addition to the lack of a chapter tactic. Priced as if they are in a guilliman bubble, pay for abilities they can't leverage fully (transport in this instance), weakness of marine weapons (las-cannons just don't work in a world with so many invlun saves), lack of good strats (shoot twice, advance and shoot, +1 save, -1 to hit, re-roll hits/wounds please), lack of invlun, they do a job that marines already have plenty of tools to do (kill infantry) and poorly costed troops leaving less points for proper screens/more toys.

They aren't the worst unit in the game but they are worse (marginally to substantially) than just about every other vehicle you will see on competitive tables. Not that you can't win with them but you will be at a competitive disadvantage against well tuned lists (which you may see every game or no games depending on your local meta/tournament attendance).

If you get lucky, get good match-ups, out-play your opponent you can totally win with them in your list. But realize at the highest level you will face better lists (per point more killey/resilient/more tools) and you will be fighting an up-hill battle where your repulsors are putting you at a disadvantage.

Although they may soon again be in the garbage pile with the soon to be released chaos knights. Hopefully GW has learned a thing or two from regular knight releases but judging them based on the power level of the newly released chaos stuff (lord discos, the purge, chain sword murder man, Contorted Epitome...) and how bad GW is at balancing in general I'm not excited.

That's the thing. I have faced all of those units you mentioned, and I've never felt at any particular disadvantage. Dark Eldar vehicle spam probably gives me the most trouble in fairness. Anyway, enough of this discussion on use. This discussion is about the new variant.

Anyways, I expect it to cost around 280 points. I expect the main laser weapon to be Heavy 2, Str12, AP-4, D6 damage 3 Minimum, and it shoots twice if the vehicle moves less than half of it's max range.