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Cyrixiinus wrote:
I don't know about AOS elves specifically, but aren't fantasy elves usually stronger than humans?

Elves vary in depictions on strength. Typically they are more agile than men and oftne have materials like mithril which are tough and yet far lighter than normal metals men often have access too.

That said these are magical war aelves from a realm that floats in the sky that isn't carried on the back of four elephants standing on a great space turtle- so anything is possible!! Huge hammers are perfectly fine for me!


Plus don't forget seeing them in the flesh...er plastic, might change your opinion of scale choices. I mean freaking heck most of the pauldrons in fantasy are too big to be practical in battle with some being so large they could never be lifted unless they were totally hollow (thus somewhat defeating the point of them)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This doesn't justify the hype.

Though there is another preview slot next week. Perhaps that will be more interesting.

Yeah who knows, maybe some more Ork releases!

Ah of course the ad hominems from you. Ork releases, or maybe, something worth the "You won't want to miss it!" "Something for every Warhammer fan!" spiel they've been touting?

Jackal90 wrote:

If it’s of zero interest why speak in a topic about it?

Because the topic didn't specify the stream.

Hence, I looked at the website.

Jackal90 wrote:

Why ask questions when the answers were literally right there?

Because, as above, I was looking at the pictures of the models. I wasn't watching the stream.

Jackal90 wrote:

Physics, in AoS, you are joking right?
This isn’t historical miniatures.
Just about everything defies logic in one way or another.

Then why are they even wielding weapons at all? Why are they built as if gravity exists? You can't just ignore the fundamental rules of the universe, let alone cut some out and assume that everything will still work normally.


But then, I foolishly forgot that criticising GW or their models isn't permitted. Don't worry, I'll show myself out.

Cyrixiinus wrote:
I don't know about AOS elves specifically, but aren't fantasy elves usually stronger than humans?

Tolkien elves yes as they were literally superior to humans but fated to fade away. In D&D they were nerfed for sake of balance so strength and durability dropped for increased wisdom, agility and special abilities

tneva82 wrote:
gw wasnt also done any favours by reveals being leaked in advance. This is bigger for the majority that hadn't seen leaked stuff yet.

True. Fabius, the Moontain, and the Lion all leaked ahead of time. So really, Eomer and the burns unit were the only true out of nowhere reveals for this stream.

As much as a lot of people don't want to admit it, this week's reveals kinda bombed. Not entirely Games Workshop's fault, mind you. This Corona epidemic has forced them to slow down and shut down their production and stores, and they had to change plans from a presentation at Adepticon to an online reveal, which are both very different things. But, it was Games Workshop's decision to try and spread it over 2 weeks.Assuming they still have plenty of reveals, it was a silly move on their part to try spreading their new reveals this thin. It's only going to disappoint people.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
gw wasnt also done any favours by reveals being leaked in advance. This is bigger for the majority that hadn't seen leaked stuff yet.

True. Fabius, the Moontain, and the Lion all leaked ahead of time. So really, Eomer and the burns unit were the only true out of nowhere reveals for this stream.

Eomer was also shown before right in this thread. So it was warcry thing, primaris lietnaunt thingie and the cartoon that were completely new.

Everything is anti climatix if you have already seen it But not much GW can do if things gets leaked. What are they supposed to do? Change whole preview in last minute?

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

If it’s of zero interest why speak in a topic about it?

Because the topic didn't specify the stream.

Hence, I looked at the website.

Jackal90 wrote:

Why ask questions when the answers were literally right there?

Because, as above, I was looking at the pictures of the models. I wasn't watching the stream.

Jackal90 wrote:

Physics, in AoS, you are joking right?
This isn’t historical miniatures.
Just about everything defies logic in one way or another.

Then why are they even wielding weapons at all? Why are they built as if gravity exists? You can't just ignore the fundamental rules of the universe, let alone cut some out and assume that everything will still work normally.


But then, I foolishly forgot that criticising GW or their models isn't permitted. Don't worry, I'll show myself out.

Literally the opening post shows it’s being streamed.

It’s perfectly fine to criticise models, I’ve never said otherwise.
It just makes me laugh that people expect realism in a fantasy setting.
If that’s the case, it’s the wrong game.

But sure, educate me on how the physics back up magic and it’s use.
I’m sure we can explain it all perfectly.

I really don't understand why they split the reveals over two weeks. Unless the second half is ridiculously meaty, there doesn't appear to be any point to it. Also kind of weird that they didn't leave us with a "Tune in next week for, XXXX!" stinger at the end of this stream. That would have kept more hype going.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I really don't understand why they split the reveals over two weeks. Unless the second half is ridiculously meaty, there doesn't appear to be any point to it. Also kind of weird that they didn't leave us with a "Tune in next week for, XXXX!" stinger at the end of this stream. That would have kept more hype going.

GW is pacing stuff out because they've got at least one month if not two or even three where they can't sell us anything new.

tneva82 wrote:

Cyrixiinus wrote:
I don't know about AOS elves specifically, but aren't fantasy elves usually stronger than humans?

Tolkien elves yes as they were literally superior to humans but fated to fade away. In D&D they were nerfed for sake of balance so strength and durability dropped for increased wisdom, agility and special abilities

Warhammer Elves in the Old World and the Mortal Realms are more akin to Tolkein ones - at least as strong as humans but faster and more agile. They are also like to be more expereinced as they don't age like humans do.

Elves win

Jackal90 wrote:

It’s perfectly fine to criticise models, I’ve never said otherwise.
It just makes me laugh that people expect realism in a fantasy setting.
If that’s the case, it’s the wrong game.

But sure, educate me on how the physics back up magic and it’s use.
I’m sure we can explain it all perfectly.

Fantasy and internal logic and thus believability don't rule each other out though.

There's 2 types of authors. Professionals and those who are "it's magic".

GW is the "it's magic" as they don't have professional quality designers/writers in them.

tneva82 wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

It’s perfectly fine to criticise models, I’ve never said otherwise.
It just makes me laugh that people expect realism in a fantasy setting.
If that’s the case, it’s the wrong game.

But sure, educate me on how the physics back up magic and it’s use.
I’m sure we can explain it all perfectly.

Fantasy and internal logic and thus believability don't rule each other out though.

There's 2 types of authors. Professionals and those who are "it's magic".

GW is the "it's magic" as they don't have professional quality designers/writers in them.

Sadly I agree and feel it’s around the time of AoS.
Their older fluff was great but fairly generic “fantasy” style.
Assuming they adopted the new style to try and branch out and make it seem different.

And while I agree that logic and fantasy can work together, expecting only logic in a fantasy setting is just setting yourself up for a fall.

 nels1031 wrote:
I think this seems smaller just by the nature of the format.

Normal Adepticon would have attendee's snapping photos of mini's in glass display cases at different angles and such, giving us a bit more "content".
.

Nope. That isn't it. I pretty much exclusively look at the GW event page for these things, and there's definitely less (and less interesting stuff).

Compare it to the last ones:
Special Character vs a pile of Ad Mech units.
A handful of even weirder elf nonsense vs a pile of units and several characters and an army book and terrain piece for a different army.

The Warcry warband is a good reveal, but where's the Necro, BB, BSF, AD Mech, Underworlds? The LVO and even GAMA reveals had a mix of a lot of stuff, and more of it.

Voss wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
I think this seems smaller just by the nature of the format.

Normal Adepticon would have attendee's snapping photos of mini's in glass display cases at different angles and such, giving us a bit more "content".
.

Nope. That isn't it. I pretty much exclusively look at the GW event page for these things, and there's definitely less (and less interesting stuff).

Compare it to the last ones:
Special Character vs a pile of Ad Mech units.
A handful of even weirder elf nonsense vs a pile of units and several characters and an army book and terrain piece for a different army.

The Warcry warband is a good reveal, but where's the Necro, BB, BSF, AD Mech, Underworlds? The LVO and even GAMA reveals had a mix of a lot of stuff, and more of it.

Some of it presumably next week.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Spoiler:

I actually like these models, but the legs on the Moontain are one of the most disproportionare-looking things I think GW have ever released. I've seen WarmaHordes get accused of having chicken-leg models, but this is worse.

And those helmets... no, just no. That worked for Bretonnia because the Knights of the Realm didn't have helmets three times the size of their own heads.



But those criticisms aside, I really am digging these new models, just... tell the Moontain to stop skipping leg day, and scale down the helmets.

Reveals depend on the player so I'm sure someone out there is excited for todays offerings.

Was hoping for a Kill Team or Craftworlds preview today. Nothing against Warcry, but its receiving fabulous new releases while Kill Team has been going without for a while now. And that Craftworlds faction box is long overdue...

No one expects GW to crank out a complete overhaul of the CW range, but Warlocks, Rangers and Scorpions would be ideal as they are used in both 40K and Kill Team. An 8-model Storm Guardian kit would also be great, because for the time being its £22.50 for a set of Guardians and then £11 for the resin upgrade sprue.

But today's offerings are good for the relevent players, and the Warrior-cows are quite snazzy.

The helmets on the Elf warriors are absurd, and the weapons? The only reason why they are wielding large hammers is because it will make it more difficult to use your old High Elf models as proxies.

Elves should never use hammers. Maybe it's because I'm old, but it seems like their design was motivated for all of the wrong reasons.

I don't get why they pointed out that there are dead Night Lords on the Lion's base but you can "paint the dead Space Marines in any colour, even black (winks in Heresy)."

No. No you can't.
Normally, yeah, you'd be able to. The dead marines on the bases Alpharius, Corax, Angron, etc are just regularly marines without any distinctinon.
These guys, however are meant to be Night Lords. They literally have the shoulder pads sculpted on, bones tied to the armor, skin being used as cloth, etc. There's no way these are just optional bits you can add to the base XD

I don't get why they bothered adding the line. It's just so unnecessary.

30k Dark Angels aesthetic is just fantastic. Love that crusader helm. Everything from the Forge World range on 30k Dark Angels has perfectly captured the Heresy art.

Anybody has any information about that Librarian in terminator armor that was supposed to be available at Adepticon ?

The Lion is just perfect.

SamusDrake wrote:
Reveals depend on the player so I'm sure someone out there is excited for todays offerings.

Was hoping for a Kill Team or Craftworlds preview today. Nothing against Warcry, but its receiving fabulous new releases while Kill Team has been going without for a while now. And that Craftworlds faction box is long overdue...

No one expects GW to crank out a complete overhaul of the CW range, but Warlocks, Rangers and Scorpions would be ideal as they are used in both 40K and Kill Team. An 8-model Storm Guardian kit would also be great, because for the time being its £22.50 for a set of Guardians and then £11 for the resin upgrade sprue.

But today's offerings are good for the relevent players, and the Warrior-cows are quite snazzy.

Sadly if you did get new Storm Guardians they'd probably be £35 and 5 to a box

Games Workshop has a bad habit of spreading out new releases too thin as is. So now, with this COVID-19 epidemic forcing them to spread their thin reveals even more thin, it makes it look like they don't really have anything. Better option would have been to delay the announcements until mid April and do it all in the same day. Also would have significantly less dead air since they'd have more time to prepare and plan the reveals.

Ah got to love it. 40k community who got most news is also loudest complainers.

Guess wisdom for GW here. Release less releases and players are happier Or 40k community is just perma whining community.

tneva82 wrote:
Ah got to love it. 40k community who got most news is also loudest complainers.

Not sure I'd say 40k got the most news from that presentation - I'd argue that would be AOS, or possibly WarCry (with the confirmation there is more to come).

Still, we've only had half the presentation so far.

For what we have had, though, I'd say they raised the hype bar a bit too high.

 Dysartes wrote:


For what we have had, though, I'd say they raised the hype bar a bit too high.

They put the hype bar in the same place they always put it. It's just that some people get over-excited or set expectations too high or don't ground their expectations in reality. Also I think some people don't appreciate that releases for other armies/games are big things unless the releases touch on armies they personally collect.

 Overread wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
For what we have had, though, I'd say they raised the hype bar a bit too high.

They put the hype bar in the same place they always put it. It's just that some people get over-excited or set expectations too high or don't ground their expectations in reality. Also I think some people don't appreciate that releases for other armies/games are big things unless the releases touch on armies they personally collect.

I need to find the WHC reference - I think it was when the Adepticon seminar was initially announced - but the material that is being split between these two streams was described as "the biggest preview ever".

So far, I'd struggle to say that was anywhere near accurate. I wouldn't even describe it as the biggest preview so far this year, with the LVO one currently taking that award.

We'll see if part 2 makes this description feel more accurate.

And they need to do better regarding spoilers - we shouldn't've had the revealed version of the blacked-out graphic available before the start of the stream.

The biggest preview ever talk was all before the cancellation. Splitting the preview into 2 weeks was a great decision because it gives us all a nice destruction from the realities of the world outside and something to look forward to. Yeah there was maybe a little lacking on the 40k side. The only specialist games stuff I am expecting us bloodbowl. Everything else was covered at Gama.

tneva82 wrote:
Ah got to love it. 40k community who got most news is also loudest complainers.

Guess wisdom for GW here. Release less releases and players are happier Or 40k community is just perma whining community.

Got some tidbits about the contents of a book 2 months out and a reveal of a mini they previewed at the last preview.

All games got about equal content there?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
For what we have had, though, I'd say they raised the hype bar a bit too high.

They put the hype bar in the same place they always put it. It's just that some people get over-excited or set expectations too high or don't ground their expectations in reality. Also I think some people don't appreciate that releases for other armies/games are big things unless the releases touch on armies they personally collect.

I need to find the WHC reference - I think it was when the Adepticon seminar was initially announced - but the material that is being split between these two streams was described as "the biggest preview ever".

So far, I'd struggle to say that was anywhere near accurate. I wouldn't even describe it as the biggest preview so far this year, with the LVO one currently taking that award.

We'll see if part 2 makes this description feel more accurate.

And they need to do better regarding spoilers - we shouldn't've had the revealed version of the blacked-out graphic available before the start of the stream.

So pretty standard advertising then. "The biggest sale ever, the biggest preview ever" etc, etc. Same for any business the world over.