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People's deflated reactions are entirely understandable, presuming they're 40k players.

It's GW's most popular game, and it received the lowest number of new models out of all the systems announced. One crrepy old fella, that's it.

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

 grouchoben wrote:

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

AoS sort of needed them after Old World got ignored for years; then AoS took its first steps by removing 2 whole armies and gutted several others by shattering them into tiny forces. Even now AoS has a motherload of resin and metal models still in the older armies; whilst many of the newer armies only have a handful of models to them.

40K meanwhile has most armies quite modern with plastics and quite large. Even newer forces like Genestealer Cults have a lot of options whilst comparably more armies are complete with more up to date plastics. Eldar are about the only 40K army really left fully out in the dark with a lot of finecast; and I'm not aware of any metals outside of one or two characters (of which at least one is in Eldar).

 godardc wrote:
So, were people actually expecting something big ? Like, because GW said it was going to be big ? Like everytime ? Like it wasn't standard marketing practice ?
I mean, are you new here or... ?
I am genuinely wondering how can people be disappointed with what was announced (lots of long awaited stuff if not surprising stuff)

Even by GW standards of exaggerating, they REALLY hyped this one up to the gills. Part of me does wonder if they've decided to trim a few things off the schedule though, since a lot of this won't be getting released for at least three months.

To be fair, we know that the Not!Giants faction is probably going to be announced next week, so for AoS it will been a relatively sizable series of reveals.

 grouchoben wrote:
People's deflated reactions are entirely understandable, presuming they're 40k players.

It's GW's most popular game, and it received the lowest number of new models out of all the systems announced. One crrepy old fella, that's it.

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

Some people are just being able to be objective. They really didn't reveal anything I personally find super exiting, but it was still decent amount of releases including a plastic 'greater daemon' and a primarch, either of which alone would have been considered a big deal back in the day.

 Crimson wrote:
either of which alone would have been considered a big deal back in the day.

Who could have predicted that releasing a dozen of primarchs made releasing yet another primarch less of a big deal?

Are we sure that Games Workshop doesn't just mean a Giant/titan faction for Age of Sigmar? If the models are all knight size or bigger and that is the faction, it does somewhat meet the 'biggest' through word play.

The Lion is a HH unit. Irrelevant to 40k system... Like i said, they released a dodgy old geezer in a corset for 40k, full stop.

 grouchoben wrote:
The Lion is a HH unit. Irrelevant to 40k system... Like i said, they released a dodgy old geezer in a corset for 40k, full stop.

No, they released an announcement of the next book after "Engine War" for the Psychic Awakening series.

Remember that "Engine War", prior to this whole mess, was slated to be an April release featuring:
-Adeptus Mechanicus were getting at least 3 new boxed sets in the form of the Pteraxii[birdmen], Serberys[cavalry], and Archaeopter[flyer]. The Pteraxii and Serberys build two units each, and the flyer has 3 variants. That's not even talking about the rules portion of the book, which was going to be the first publication with the Techpriest Manipulus, Skorpius Dunerider/Disintegrator, and the new stuff.
-Imperial Knights
-Chaos Knights
-Chaos Daemons

At this stage I'm more than willing to give GW the benefit of the doubt, after all there's another round of previews to come next weekend I believe?

Ptichforks can wait until the 6th of April!

That said, why all of the fuss? The latest round of Aelves aren't for me I think they look absolutely awful. Horus Heresey resin really does nothing for me either, the sticker shock is hilarious even in context to the prices GW ask for plastic these days. Then there's the Warcry warband which are... pretty ace from my perspective, won't lie. And finally, a 40k Chaos marine, and a niche one at that? *snore*

Still a fun preview, though!

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Are we sure that Games Workshop doesn't just mean a Giant/titan faction for Age of Sigmar? If the models are all knight size or bigger and that is the faction, it does somewhat meet the 'biggest' through word play.

I don't know. Last time they teased the Sons of Behemet, they made sure that the phrasing was clearly intentionally. "We've got some "giant" things on the way", etc.

The Blackstone Zoat is on pre-release here https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/warhammer-40000/73541-warhammer-quest-blackstone-fortress-deadly-alliance-english
I must say it's a disappointment for me, I would probably have bought it but not for £40 rrp with extra tokens and card that I don't want. I suppose I should have expected this due to how Blackstone stuff is sold. Blackstone in general seems very overpriced at this point. It's like someone has decided they're going to try to exploit the nostalgia of this range, kind of irritating and they won't get the money from me with this release.

SG, unit for unit, sell less than the main games. That has a knock on effect on the price of each expansion set.

So whilst I do not defend any given price here, it does make direct comparisons tricky.

 grouchoben wrote:
People's deflated reactions are entirely understandable, presuming they're 40k players.

It's GW's most popular game, and it received the lowest number of new models out of all the systems announced. One crrepy old fella, that's it.

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

I can only speak for myself, but my interest in 40k compared to AoS is withering on the vine. 40k has its same old problem of being space marine centric, while AoS has finally proven willing to move beyond stormcasts. And that's exciting and bold. I have bought anything related to 40k since Blackstone fortress, while I have bought tons of fantasy stuff despite not being into the old setting very much, and detesting AoS when it first launched.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
People's deflated reactions are entirely understandable, presuming they're 40k players.

It's GW's most popular game, and it received the lowest number of new models out of all the systems announced. One crrepy old fella, that's it.

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

I can only speak for myself, but my interest in 40k compared to AoS is withering on the vine. 40k has its same old problem of being space marine centric, while AoS has finally proven willing to move beyond stormcasts. And that's exciting and bold. I have bought anything related to 40k since Blackstone fortress, while I have bought tons of fantasy stuff despite not being into the old setting very much, and detesting AoS when it first launched.

For all I've mercilessly slated AoS, I'll give them their due in moving past the cycle of Sigmarines and acknowledging other factions exist. It definitely makes the release cycles FAR more interesting, not having to temper expectations that it's going to be yet another variety of Sigmarine, unlike 40k where you can all but guarantee they'll have to shove a Primaris in there somewhere, lest complaints of 'Xenos/Chaos bias' somehow, someway, still get touted.

 grouchoben wrote:
The Lion is a HH unit. Irrelevant to 40k system... Like i said, they released a dodgy old geezer in a corset for 40k, full stop.

I only play 40K and Necromunda, but I am actually capable of understanding that people other than me exist and they play those other games.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
People's deflated reactions are entirely understandable, presuming they're 40k players.

It's GW's most popular game, and it received the lowest number of new models out of all the systems announced. One crrepy old fella, that's it.

I look at the giddy pace of releases for AoS and just really don't get it at all.

I can only speak for myself, but my interest in 40k compared to AoS is withering on the vine. 40k has its same old problem of being space marine centric, while AoS has finally proven willing to move beyond stormcasts. And that's exciting and bold. I have bought anything related to 40k since Blackstone fortress, while I have bought tons of fantasy stuff despite not being into the old setting very much, and detesting AoS when it first launched.

For all I've mercilessly slated AoS, I'll give them their due in moving past the cycle of Sigmarines and acknowledging other factions exist. It definitely makes the release cycles FAR more interesting, not having to temper expectations that it's going to be yet another variety of Sigmarine, unlike 40k where you can all but guarantee they'll have to shove a Primaris in there somewhere, lest complaints of 'Xenos/Chaos bias' somehow, someway, still get touted.

What's really neat is that they've not just moved past in terms of models. They've also done so story wise. This means every faction has a few of their own stories - even if they are only short stories. It gives each faction far much more of a personal voice. Chaos are no longer just simple mindless slaves to Chaos; orks are not just boogymen brought out for a fight; Skaven don't just get stories where they lose to Gotrek; etc... It really helps flesh out a lot of other factions, plus even if you don't play as a faction it gives more depth to the world setting.



It's really odd too in a way because we've a world setting where the basic interactions are complicated and not best known (eg the geography of the land; the mechanics of trade, commerce, what people eat etc...); yet we perhaps have a better and richer understanding of the basic culture of the vast majority of the factions and told by their own voice not the voice of a 3rd party interpreting those races.

Whooo there's some snide on here today, maybe everyone's got a bit of the cabin fever! Crimson, what you are capable of understanding is lovely and all; it doesn't change what was announced. Yeah it's great news for warcry players, or HH DAs, etc. And 40k players with a particular fetish.

Kanluwen, those admech were announced back in january or something. Rules? Yeah, GW has no problem pumping out rules for 40k, they're addicted to hardback cashcows! I was talking about models.

And I agee with everyone that AoS is looking better and better, while 40k is feeling stuck and unimaginative. But I guess that's a product of soooooooo many new armies dropping in AoS.

JWBS wrote:
The Blackstone Zoat is on pre-release here https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/warhammer-40000/73541-warhammer-quest-blackstone-fortress-deadly-alliance-english
I must say it's a disappointment for me, I would probably have bought it but not for £40 rrp with extra tokens and card that I don't want. I suppose I should have expected this due to how Blackstone stuff is sold. Blackstone in general seems very overpriced at this point. It's like someone has decided they're going to try to exploit the nostalgia of this range, kind of irritating and they won't get the money from me with this release.

Wayland games is your friend. £29 is still overpriced, but slightly better to stomach.

The AdMech stuff was actually announced before that with the Archaeopter in 2019.

It wasn't until the LVO that we had the title "Engine War" of the book going with them, and that was when the Serberys cavalry and Pteraxii were shown.

Ruleswise, what you seem to be missing, is that the AdMech release is going to be kind of strange in that there's 3 items(Techpriest Manipulus, Skorpius Dunerider, and Skorpius Disintegrator) that were released long before we ever got wind of a book.

On the flipside of things, War of the Spider got announced at the same time Lucius got revealed.

Well, the Engine War preview seems to show that gw isn't slowing down on previews due to the current situation, so maybe they still have some good stuff coming next weekend.

Still crossing my fingers for those new fw Indexes.

As mentioned, we've seen this at the Las Vegas Open.

 Crimson wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
The Lion is a HH unit. Irrelevant to 40k system... Like i said, they released a dodgy old geezer in a corset for 40k, full stop.

I only play 40K and Necromunda, but I am actually capable of understanding that people other than me exist and they play those other games.

No doubt, but in the same way that the age old "b b b but Marines make up 99.9% of all 40k sales you guys!!" is used to justify the number of releases they see, I suspect even the most niche 40k army accounts for more sales than any specialist game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
On the flipside of things, War of the Spider got announced at the same time Lucius got revealed.

Lucius, Kan?

And War of the Spider was confirmed as a PA book when they showed the preview of Bile's assistant, as the name was in the graphic. In fact, given the assistant was already revealed, Fabulous Bill is really only 50% of a preview, as I imagine the two models will be sold together,

The announcement here gave more details - such as confirming the factions - but it was a title we knew.

Getting the title for PA9, along with confirmation of the factions in it, would've been a nice little teaser to end the preview with, for example.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
On the flipside of things, War of the Spider got announced at the same time Lucius got revealed.

Lucius, Kan?

I don't know why I wrote that. I know it's Fabius Bile, but I always want to call him Lucius!

And War of the Spider was confirmed as a PA book when they showed the preview of Bile's assistant, as the name was in the graphic. In fact, given the assistant was already revealed, Fabulous Bill is really only 50% of a preview, as I imagine the two models will be sold together,

The announcement here gave more details - such as confirming the factions - but it was a title we knew.

Fair points. I still maintain that it's a decent teaser announcement even if you don't agree. For example, I don't think anyone saw Bile getting his own faction as a thing.

Getting the title for PA9, along with confirmation of the factions in it, would've been a nice little teaser to end the preview with, for example.

Still can happen. Looks like Engine War was meant to be first two weeks of April, but that ain't happening.

 Arbitrator wrote:
they'll have to shove a Primaris in there somewhere, lest complaints of 'Xenos/Chaos bias' somehow, someway, still get touted.

That's a spicy meme.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
No doubt, but in the same way that the age old "b b b but Marines make up 99.9% of all 40k sales you guys!!" is used to justify the number of releases they see, I suspect even the most niche 40k army accounts for more sales than any specialist game.

I personally believe that Warcry, Necromunda and Blackstone Fortress each outsell orks by a comfortable margin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
On the flipside of things, War of the Spider got announced at the same time Lucius got revealed.

Lucius, Kan?

I don't know why I wrote that. I know it's Fabius Bile, but I always want to call him Lucius!

And War of the Spider was confirmed as a PA book when they showed the preview of Bile's assistant, as the name was in the graphic. In fact, given the assistant was already revealed, Fabulous Bill is really only 50% of a preview, as I imagine the two models will be sold together,

The announcement here gave more details - such as confirming the factions - but it was a title we knew.

Fair points. I still maintain that it's a decent teaser announcement even if you don't agree. For example, I don't think anyone saw Bile getting his own faction as a thing.

Getting the title for PA9, along with confirmation of the factions in it, would've been a nice little teaser to end the preview with, for example.

Still can happen. Looks like Engine War was meant to be first two weeks of April, but that ain't happening.

I suggested Fabulous B would be his own thing earlier in the thread

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
No doubt, but in the same way that the age old "b b b but Marines make up 99.9% of all 40k sales you guys!!" is used to justify the number of releases they see, I suspect even the most niche 40k army accounts for more sales than any specialist game.

I personally believe that Warcry, Necromunda and Blackstone Fortress each outsell orks by a comfortable margin.

GW's release schedule appears to mostly agree with you?

 grouchoben wrote:
The Lion is a HH unit. Irrelevant to 40k system... Like i said, they released a dodgy old geezer in a corset for 40k, full stop.

Irrelevant to the game, but the HH Primarch models have still been of interest to a lot of 40K players, on account of being Primarchs.

Although the Lion leaves me a little cold, I'll admit. I'm not sure what it is, but he just doesn't seem to have the same presence as the previous Primarch releases... just looks like a large Marine in a fairly bland pose.



Not playing a game is no reason to not appreciate cool models, though. I love the new Elf Mountain Goat Lord thing, despite having absolutely zero interest in AoS.

Do we have the Lion’s 30K rules already?

I’m getting more and more tempted to start a 30K Dark Angels Army with each new release for them.