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What would constitute tech heresy? Like to the scale of mars declaring something excommunicate

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- xeno tech
- tech not certified / approved by the mechanicum
- independent AI's
- altering the STC's

so basically, if a marine chapter were to do their own maintenance?

No, Space Marine chapters have Techmarines who take care of their equipment. The Adeptus Mechanicus has no authority over them, although if Marines started using some alien/daemonic tech, the Mechanicus could petition the Inquisition to step in.

Tech-Marines are full members of the cult-mechanicus. Maintenance is their job.

Tech heresy is mostly the use or creation of non STC technology (reffered to as 'heretech')

Picking up a shuriken Catapult and using it is tech heresy, but fairly minor. Designing and building a completely new gun is highly heretical. Creating a full AI is perhaps the most heretical thing possible.

However - Mars is actually fairly pragmatic on this front.

The Black Templars created a new kind of non-STC Land Raider. That's tech heresy. However - by the time Mars found out, the Templars and a boatload of other chapters had dozens of the things and they loved them.

Mars could not get all those chapters (especially the BT) excomunicated - so the BT claimed they had 'found' an STC for the Land Raider Crusader and Mars pretended to believe them.

I'm not sure how to explain what I'm imagining Its a jumble of thoughts right now so bare with me.

The chapter is banned from receiving new equipment because of some Insult/tech heresy they performed. All ties they had with the Ad. Mech are cut.

The inquisition doesn't Excommunicate them because they are still a very loyal chapter.

so after the years they are slowly dwindling down in full battle brothers. they have a large contingent of scouts, but lacking on the power armour.

so any help/idea?


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In a week or so I'll have all the bits to make the test models and maybe that could help some.


Im wanting a Nord/Celtic background for them also

Tricky.

It really does seem quite hard for a loyal chapter to piss off the admech.

The Bluhd Angels found a new STC design and refused to share it AND glued nipples to their armour (I don't care what you believe, that's some kind of heresy) and yet the admech still like them enough to give them the stormraven...

The black Templars built a new kind of tank and the admech said 'okie dokie'.


Perhaps your chapter accidentally destroyed an newly discovered STC printout - or simply failed to prevent its destruction?

Or if you're just looking for an excuse to ditch the Power Armour - then say your chapter's geneseed has recently undergone a mutation and now lacks the Black Carapace.

Older marines can still wear Power Armour - but anyone inducted after that mutation cannot. This also explains why you have all equipment besides power armour.

Alright thanks, Like I said once I get the models built Ill post them up and see if that sparks any ideas.


lol this is a difficult one

well teck is not as much 'learned' as it is found. altering teck is worth of death.

however just think of it like a catholic church from the days of Alexandria. if it doesn't fit into what they think serve's god they burn it and kill anyone who doesn't agree with what they believe is right.

read mechanicum thats the best i can say, or read the bible lol.

Terminus wrote:No, Space Marine chapters have Techmarines who take care of their equipment. The Adeptus Mechanicus has no authority over them, although if Marines started using some alien/daemonic tech, the Mechanicus could petition the Inquisition to step in.

Will also add to this point that Chapters send their TechMarines off to Mars to be trained in revering the Machine Spirit as well as maintenance because without them the warmachines and weapons of the Chapter would fall to disrepair.

As others have said, basically anything that does not conform to the STD's is considered heretical, wether it be alien or human produced

Azezel wrote:Mars could not get all those chapters (especially the BT) excomunicated - so the BT claimed they had 'found' an STC for the Land Raider Crusader and Mars pretended to believe them.

This is also how the various Leman Russ variants become STC variations. They still don't have the original Leman Russ tank STC-- the Leman Russ Battle Tank variation is merely the most commonly used variation, not the original.

Azezel wrote:The Bluhd Angels found a new STC design and refused to share it AND glued nipples to their armour (I don't care what you believe, that's some kind of heresy) and yet the admech still like them enough to give them the stormraven...

The black Templars built a new kind of tank and the admech said 'okie dokie'.


Perhaps your chapter accidentally destroyed an newly discovered STC printout - or simply failed to prevent its destruction?

Or if you're just looking for an excuse to ditch the Power Armour - then say your chapter's geneseed has recently undergone a mutation and now lacks the Black Carapace.

Older marines can still wear Power Armour - but anyone inducted after that mutation cannot. This also explains why you have all equipment besides power armour.

You left out the part about the Blood Angels modifying their motors so their vehicles go faster.
It's because they're Space Marines and GW loves them too much.
Fluffwise they should have been stomped to hell and back for the STC, but they're marines so it's fine and they can continue their Tech Heresy

I'm kind of finding it harder and harder to belive that the BA should still be considered a loyalist chapter. They go crazy like Khorne Marines after a while and continue to perform Tech Heresy quite regularly. I'm actually surprised the Inquisition hasn't found out about their mutations (Red Thirst and something else, can't remember either name properly) and started to hunt them down.

@Toeko:
Just say that they're on a long campaign and are forced to manufactor their own equipment on their ships as they go.
As if they're cut off from Ad Mech they'll run out of ammo. Just have some forges or something on their ships, Power Armour being too difficult to manufactor on them, yet they can still keep the few suits they have in running order.

I think the Ad Mech is basically forced into providing for the SM by the treaty they had (probably still have) with Terra making them pretty much the Blacksmiths of the Imperium in exchange for the Emperor's protection. So they might have to still provide until the Chapter is declared heretical by the right person. Another option would be that they're in an isolated area and they have to rely on forges on the Chapter Planet as there is no Forge Worlds nearby to make the stuff for them. You could then say that by manufactoring their own stuff overtime the Ad Mech learns of it and refuses to make anything for them as they're heretics to them and have insulted the Machine God greatly.

Thanks I like the Idea about the long campaing and not being able to manufacture everything, Ill probably combine that with some Mutation such as failing black carapace etc.

Well in a black library novel ( I forget which ) theres an example of an imperial citizen that worked with machinery a part of his work and he got a swift visit from the mechanicus and turned into a servitor for customizing and improving the machines he worked with without training and permission to do so. So something as simple as retuning a work implement to be more efficient could land you in serious trouble. Also buying and using Xenos tech is a sure fire way for entire planets populations to damn themselves in the eyes of the imperium.

@ OP: Perhaps one of your chapter's tech marines went off the deep end (corrupted by chaos or just plain nuts) and sabotaged a large amount of your power armour.

Power Armour is very difficult to make and most chapters don't have much in the way of spares. If they suddenly lost even a couple of hundred suits it could taken them decades or longer to replace.

I still think that loosing the black carapace is your best bet, though.

I like the idea of a mad/corrupted tech marine, that sabotaged the armor (or perhaps he killed the other techmarines). this could give you a nice fluffy backstory involving a hunt for the traitor, and then as penance your chapter refuses to replace said armor. . .

there's a lot of places you could take that idea

lol I could combine alot, Tech priest sabotage Armour and gene seed so that not only do they not have Armour their chapter is cursed with a high percentage of battle brother's black carapace rejecting the machine spirit of the power armor.

they are on a crusade to hunt down corrupted machine spirits for the ad. mech and stc who are in exchange breaking alot of rules to try and uncorrupt their gene seed. so lots of space hulk exploring.

They do not revere the machine spirit like Iron hands or Techpriests do. so its not out of holy fervor. Its a Im only doing this so I can get gak fixed mentality.

how does that sound? if anyone can come up with some finer details that sound good I'd love the help. I have the basic idea's now.

The scouts will be a kit bash, Scout legs and arms, Chaos warriors upper torso's and the cape's and then Pig Iron helmets. The Cape's actually serve a purpose. to keep them warm when they are exploring the heat less expanse of a space hulk etc. so they will look relativly clean but at the same time have a Post Apoc rebel army feel.

I so hope that you make a P&M thread/Plog for these guys, they sound awesome.

S_P

Tech Heresy? Going to Devry.