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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 09:47:36
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Can a CSM Lord with a Mark (say, Nurgle) Join a Unit with a different Mark (Say Berzerkers)? I think no, but I couldn't find any rule saying so in my friend's Codex, and I may be remembering the previous edition. Then again, GW is notorious for their badly laid out books. Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 10:05:51
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is no restriction on joining units based on what Marks you have. You are perfectly free to have a NUrgle lords with a Unit of Bezerkers if you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 11:07:05
Subject: Re:CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Chaos Daemons have this restriction, not Chaos Space Marines.
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Change and change until Change is our master, for nothing neither God nor mortal can hold that which has no form. Change is the constant that cannot be changed.
No game of chess can be won without pawns, and this may prove to be a very long game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnIFn-iROE |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 15:02:55
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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And only heralds, not the characters such as Skulltaker
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 17:22:26
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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nosferatu1001 wrote:And only heralds, not the characters such as Skulltaker
No. It applies to all independent characters, and Skulltaker is a herald anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 18:31:56
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, it does not. Reread the rules - skulltaker is NOT a herald of Khorne and therefroe CAN join any unit he likes, apart from Furies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 19:02:29
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Page 27, Daemonic Rivalry - ICs can't join units belonging to another god.
Skulltaker is on page 80 under the heading "Daemonic Heralds" and is explicitly given as an example of a herald special character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 20:05:13
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Now find the rule which states which God he belongs to...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 21:20:39
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Now find the rule which states which God he belongs to...
What you did there, I see it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 21:44:49
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Page 50 - "Skulltaker - The Champion of Khorne" is pretty conclusive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/19 22:29:08
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not really - that isnt a rule, for a start.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 01:11:51
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Nosferatu1001 is the sole arbiter of determining what is rules and what is not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 01:38:14
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Not really - that isnt a rule, for a start.
If anyone tried to tell me Skulltaker wasn't aligned with Khorne I would probably pack up my stuff and find someone else to play against.
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Change and change until Change is our master, for nothing neither God nor mortal can hold that which has no form. Change is the constant that cannot be changed.
No game of chess can be won without pawns, and this may prove to be a very long game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 03:02:55
Subject: Re:CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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I think Nosferatu1001 may be getting confused with the WHFB FAQ, in which the four named daemonic "heralds" aren't subject to the rules preventing heralds from joining various units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 03:08:59
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Nitros14 wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Not really - that isnt a rule, for a start.
If anyone tried to tell me Skulltaker wasn't aligned with Khorne I would probably pack up my stuff and find someone else to play against.
Which says a lot more about you than the other person imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 07:52:18
Subject: Re:CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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Skulltaker has Fury of Khorne - aka Khorne. Hellblade - only Khorne models have this, Blessing of the Blood God. Furious Charge - what daemon god gives this? oh Khorne. May have the following Juggernaut or Chariot of Khorne. thats alot of Khorne stuff he can have for not being Khorne. All of which is exclusive to Khorne. Hellblade and Blessing of the Blood God are rules under GIFTS OF KHORNE.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 09:19:01
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yet there is no rule stating he is a Khornate Herald.
Nitros - you do realise this is a forum and not real life, dont you? Please never confuse, as you have done, the two.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 09:38:29
Subject: Re:CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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I would think that because he can take a Juggernaut of Khorne or a Chariot of Khorne makes him a Khorne Herald as per the Steeds rule. "A Khorne Herald's modified profile will then be as follows:" also "In rare occasions, a Herald of Khorne who has distinguished himself... A Khorne Herald's Modified profile will then be as follows:"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 10:51:53
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Again, nothing says what God he Follows.
How that is determined is never explained to us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 11:46:28
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sigmatron - as he isnt a Herald of Khorne you can claim he doesnt get the modified profile as wel.l...
Yes, its silly - just saying
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 12:19:14
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Gwar! wrote:Again, nothing says what God he Follows.
How that is determined is never explained to us.
Except for the entire page describing how he follows Khorne?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 12:23:14
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Isn't that fluff? Or is there actually a rule? Don't have the book to hand atm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 12:48:31
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is a load of background that shows he follows Khorne - weirdly enough - but no actual Rule stating so.
Fluff /= rules, otherwise my daemon princes are actually good, as opposed to "meh"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 13:14:55
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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MasterSlowPoke wrote:Page 50 - "Skulltaker - The Champion of Khorne" is pretty conclusive.
this
don't names count as part of the Rules on MANY occasions and are used ALL THE TIME to determine who is affected by particular rules and etcetera? are you saying this time the Title means nothing? (using the name "Skulltaker" is of course just an abbrieviation)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 13:21:40
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Gwar! wrote:Isn't that fluff?
Or is there actually a rule? Don't have the book to hand atm.
In this case, one and the same.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 14:31:12
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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MasterSlowPoke wrote:Gwar! wrote:Isn't that fluff?
Or is there actually a rule? Don't have the book to hand atm.
In this case, one and the same.
No. It's either fluff or a rule. It cannot be both.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 17:47:40
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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And that is written where?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 17:51:55
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Its in the definition of the terms really....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/20 17:53:16
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Morphing Obliterator
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Gwar! wrote:MasterSlowPoke wrote:Gwar! wrote:Isn't that fluff?
Or is there actually a rule? Don't have the book to hand atm.
In this case, one and the same.
No. It's either fluff or a rule. It cannot be both.
Isnt there in fact do determinaton anywhere of what is either fluff or rules. So just like we cant know which god Skulltaker belongs to, if we follow your separation of fluff/rules then we have no way of knowing what the rules actually are? So the game break. Lets all go home.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/03 04:38:04
Subject: CSM: Marks and IC's and Units
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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The thing is, the Skulltaker problem was answered in fantasy in a GW FAQ that he DOESNT count as a herald of khorne and he could join any unit he wanted to. I showed the FAQ to my friends and they B**ched for hours-but were forced to let me put him in my unit of plaguebearers that was also holding a herald of nurgle on palanquin which dropped all opponents to striking last in base contact. Skulltaker reaped LARGE amounts of skulls...including a 430 pt Valkia model causing my friend to quit the game quite suddenly. But it is valid in fantasy and might be in 40K, but I haven't seen any FAQ on it
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