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I was wondering if Zzap guns are still auto-hit weapons. I didn't see anywhere in the Ork Codex that they were. Anybody out there know?

Lord_Astaroth wrote:I was wondering if Zzap guns are still auto-hit weapons. I didn't see anywhere in the Ork Codex that they were. Anybody out there know?

Well, if you didn't see anything that says they autohit...

(They don't autohit)

Gwar! wrote:

Lord_Astaroth wrote:I was wondering if Zzap guns are still auto-hit weapons. I didn't see anywhere in the Ork Codex that they were. Anybody out there know?

Well, if you didn't see anything that says they autohit...

(They don't autohit)

Hmm..You know, this really wasn't a stupid question IMO. Previous book says that they autohit, this book, there are rules scattered all over the place. When you look up weapons, it could say something like, "refer to 40k rulebook" or "see page xx" so I didn't see anything. The points cost is still VERY high for a weapon that fires ONLY ONCE and is TOTALLY random with an average STR7 hit on the 2D6.

But I digress. Either way, thanks!

I never said it was a stupid question!

Lord_Astaroth wrote:
Previous book says that they autohit, this book, there are rules scattered all over the place. When you look up weapons, it could say something like, "refer to 40k rulebook" or "see page xx" so I didn't see anything.

Bingo. The Looted Wagon entry at the back where it lists the options refers you to page 59, which has a nice large feature on Mad Dok Grotsnik. Sometimes the Ork Codex can be a bit of a pain.

Gwar! wrote:I never said it was a stupid question!

Heh, I never accused you of saying it was. It's just that though I do like and have finally gotten pretty used to the late 5th edition style codexes, the whole part where rules for single units are on multiple pages is a bit of a pain.

Another reason why the Zzap gun is a hunk of junk.

I don't have my book with me but it says that Zzap guns auto hit somewhere in the BRB.

FarLock wrote:I don't have my book with me but it says that Zzap guns auto hit somewhere in the BRB.

It also says that the Summarys are overruled by the rulebook.

The BRB is wrong (about the autohit).

Gwar! wrote:

FarLock wrote:I don't have my book with me but it says that Zzap guns auto hit somewhere in the BRB.

It also says that the Summarys are overruled by the rulebook.

The BRB is wrong (about the autohit).

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Yep, in the summary reference section. The same section which, just two pages before, mentions Eldar Waveserpents as having an AV of 2 on the front.

I doubt anyone is actually going to play it that way, though.

I thought it said it somewhere else too but I can't find it so I would guess that it is wrong.

Annoyingly enough, this came up at a tournament I volunteered to do the judging for today. It's amazing how hard it is to convince some people that the summaries in the back of the main rulebook don't have any weight.

Lord_Astaroth wrote:The points cost is still VERY high for a weapon that fires ONLY ONCE and is TOTALLY random with an average STR7 hit on the 2D6.

What do you mean by "fires ONLY ONCE"? You can fire zzap guns as many times as you are able.

kadeton wrote:

Lord_Astaroth wrote:The points cost is still VERY high for a weapon that fires ONLY ONCE and is TOTALLY random with an average STR7 hit on the 2D6.

What do you mean by "fires ONLY ONCE"? You can fire zzap guns as many times as you are able.

He means it's only Heavy 1.

Gwar! wrote:

kadeton wrote:

Lord_Astaroth wrote:The points cost is still VERY high for a weapon that fires ONLY ONCE and is TOTALLY random with an average STR7 hit on the 2D6.

What do you mean by "fires ONLY ONCE"? You can fire zzap guns as many times as you are able.

He means it's only Heavy 1.

Exactly. Because of the poor BS of the Ork, Heavy 1,Assault 1, ect... weapons are a big gamble, even if they are for the most part powerful.

Grots crew the zzap guns however, so they are made ever-so-slightly more reliable. Not much, but slightly.

S_P

Space_Potato wrote:Grots crew the zzap guns however, so they are made ever-so-slightly more reliable. Not much, but slightly.

S_P

Well, if your talking in cannon crews, then yes. BUT on Ork vehicles that can take a Zzap gun, its only BS2, and hence a crappy choice

Zap guns, average ap of 7 and once they auto hit and now they dont.

so that old BW with the Zap gun as its main armament no longer leaves the Meks garage, as its waiting for a new gun to get installed and the zap gun sent to the junk heap.

its one of those what the hell was GW thinking, you take a somewhat OP due to the autohit weapon and ensure that its only brought out when the Ork player doesnt care about winning.

It also used to roll 2D6 for AP, which meant it on average glanced Landraiders...

Yea but lets all be realistic, in every codex redue, they change something that used to be good, and make it sucky, or vice versa. Like shot guns for example, they used to be laughable, but now they are incredibly useful

Apart from on scout bikers...