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Heya.

As of now I can't seem to find the place exactly where I read 'Only Iron Warriors can use a Warsmith as their Chaos Lord Choise', but I'm quite certain it was in the latest Chaos Space Marines Codex. There's no profile nor gear that would make an ordinary Chaos Lord into a Warsmith. Is it GW saying that you may only use the model (does it even still excist?) to use as your Chaos Lord?


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This model, by the way:



Edit: It's actually on the site it says it. *gasp* .. There's still no profile for them? =<

Chaos Lords can't take powerfists and combi-meltas? That's pretty lame.

Well, that they can - But that's no ordinary backpack. In the 4th Ed 1st Chaos Space Marines Codex, they.. Well, I guess they do the same thing as normal Space Marines Tech Marines, IIRC.

Riffzor wrote:Well, that they can - But that's no ordinary backpack. In the 4th Ed 1st Chaos Space Marines Codex, they.. Well, I guess they do the same thing as normal Space Marines Tech Marines, IIRC.

3.5 Chaos Marine Codex. @nd CSM book for 3rd ed. The book was out long before 4th dropped.

As of now, the CSM do not have a Techmarine equivalent.

Though, atleast Rhinoes doesn't need the effects of what they did back then, they have the Repair rule. Feels like a somewhat underpowered rule for 30pts, first a vehicle needs to be immobolised, and nothing else, and then he has to get to it and start rolling dices. =P

The warsmith doesn't exist in the codex, neither does Cypher or the emprah's children lord (because his options don't exist)

He just counts as (from what I can tell) A chaos lord with a combi-melta.

.. And Power Weapon.

Whatever happened to Cypher? I thought he was cool. And the Emprah's Children have two (or atleast one and a half) special characters, Lucius the Eternal.. and then there's Fabius Bile, whom atleast once was of the Emperor's Children. I believe you mean Doomrider, then?

Riffzor wrote:.. And Power Weapon.

Whatever happened to Cypher? I thought he was cool. And the Emprah's Children have two (or atleast one and a half) special characters, Lucius the Eternal.. and then there's Fabius Bile, whom atleast once was of the Emperor's Children. I believe you mean Doomrider, then?

Hmm? Sir, I think you misunderstood me,sir. I'm humbly referring to this model here, sir.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1020025&prodId=prod1090256

If I may say,sir. This here model doesn't exist in that there codex,sir,on occasion that the Chaos Lords cannot take doom sirens,sir.

The doomrider does exist, since Lords can take bikes

No. While Doomrider is a valid example, Samus is referring to the Emperor’s Children Lord model that GW has. Back in the 3.5 codex, Lords with MOS could take a doom siren, now the EC model is just a lord with a sword, plasma pistol and ornate backpack as Lords cannot take doom sirens in the current book.

candy.man wrote:No. While Doomrider is a valid example, Samus is referring to the Emperor’s Children Lord model that GW has. Back in the 3.5 codex, Lords with MOS could take a doom siren, now the EC model is just a lord with a sword, plasma pistol and ornate backpack as Lords cannot take doom sirens in the current book.

Many thanks,sir for kindly reinforcing my humble post,sir,sir.

Ooh, right. Yes, only the Noise Marine Aspiring Champions can do that now. =s

Yes,sir.You're indeed correct,sir.

Bah, in many ways I find the.. What was it you called it? 3.5th Ed CSM Codex much better than the latest. Much more details and options, just look at the wargear avalible..

Yes,sir. I especially,sir, liked the picture in the back of abaddon ripping,sir,the marine out of the dreadnought,sir.

Yes, now that's just a counts-as Chaos Lord w/some weapons. Also sorts of bland-tastic fun.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, now that's just a counts-as Chaos Lord w/some weapons. Also sorts of bland-tastic fun.

And that my friends, is why when I read the current CSM codex, I stopped playing the CSM until someday when they strike my fancy again. They are so incredibly DULL right now its insane.

Now they're pretty much normal Space Marines with a bit different options and lacking some other options, and of course having some daemons and their special four Special Legions.. and a Defiler. Oh, and Sorcerers, don't know if SM has those? ... and.. some special characters. But still, they used to have so much more..

Well, I have a SM Techmarine converted to Chaos for my IW, who counts as a Chaos Lord. For me, he's a Warsmith.

Well, yes it works and one can use the model, but still, before they had their servo-arms, which even if it wasn't the very best thing in the game, was a fun feature.

In private games I do all kinds of things to liven up the codex. My friends don't have problems with it.

I use land raider crusaders,I use storm bolters on my chaos terminators,I play without the "crazed" rule on my dready. I use chaplains, I use techmarines, I use drop pods.

Just whatever I think will brighten them up. I've found that combining the daemons codex natively with the CSM codex makes games more fun.

Is it allowed to use Daemons from the Chaos Daemons Codex when playing CSM in tournaments and such?

No. You should be playing with another player if you want to do that (in a 2-on-2 match). Otherwise, do whatever you want in private!

Okay now, that sucks badly. So the CSM may only use Greater Daemons with a single profile? And Lesser Daemons with a single profile? Chaos are so getting nerfed. >.<

At the moment I am trying to liven up my CSM game with forgeworld rules. I have purchased Lord Zhufor and I intend to use him in friendlies. Now if I was a nurgle player or was rich, I could use all sorts of crazy forgeworld stuff like Blood Slaughterers or Blight Drones. At least I am happy that I finally have a Khornate HQ that rocks face and does not eat my units (Kharn) or myself (Bloodfeeder). I strongly recomend Imperial Armour 7 to all nurgle and khorne players out there.

GW always suggested to keep Khârn away from your own units, just as they did with the Chaos Dreadnough in 3rd Ed, just because of their abilities to kill your own marines. That of course makes him voulnerable but.. Oh well.

Anyhow, I just found something in the Fluff that made me happy.. *grin* the minor Chaos Gods, especially Melkirth fits very well to what kind of an army I want, though I'm still left confused as Lexicanum and Wikipedia has different lists of lesser Chaos Gods, Lexicanum had 'Malice', the god whom the Sons of Malice follows, but at Wikipedia's list, Melkirth feels like he fills up exactly what purposes I want (I was suggested to follow Slaanesh as of my marines pleassure in mutilating and torturing their victims.)

Still, GW better throw up a new Chaos Codex for the 5th Edition in which they may take the Daemons from the Chaos Daemons' codex, and in which there are some more fun options.

Those are gods that were made in the old fluff. Sorry to say,they mean absolutely nothing anymore.

Bah, it's not as it matters that much what god is followed unless it's Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Khorne, all have same stats in game, it's just about paint schemes and conversations, and Fluff which has no real effect on the game.

Besides, the Sons of Malice follow a god they refer to as 'Malice', and Chaos Gods are based on emotions, and grow more powerfull the more their emotions are being used.

Their Chapter Master is Kathal, who is now over 1000 years old. Every century the chapter returns to the Labyrinth, an old and scarred ship that has become the Chapter's holy ground and meeting place since the loss of their homeworld. Every warband attends at the correct time, regardless of their current status or who they are fighting. Slaves from every race encountered are then brought to the Labyrinth; each battle brother then retreats to a cell, where they eat the slave assigned to them alive. Every century, some Sons of Malice set off into the halls of the Labyrinth to compete for a place amongst the legendary Doomed Ones. Only one can make it to the end and escape; the rest will either die, or be transformed into the beasts that inhabit the ship as the Warp corrupts it. This challenge took place eleven times, eleven being Malice's sacred number, with each victor's body being stored in a casket until the final champion arose. The eleventh champion was Brother Invictus who, along with the other ten champions, was sacrificed so that Malice could appear and the Sons of Malice could begin their crusade to retake their homeworld.

From Lexicanum on Sons of Malice.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Those are gods that were made in the old fluff. Sorry to say,they mean absolutely nothing anymore.

Also, I made my own unit today.

Obliterator Lord -------------175 Points
5 5 5 5 2 5 3 10 2+ [5+]

Equipped with: Obliterator Weapons, Chainfist, Psyker,knows Wind of Chaos
Special Rules: Deep strike, Tech-Fiend (see below), Enhanced Obliterator Weapons (also see below)

Tech Fiend- The obliterator lord is a master of Technological Advancements. Any unit the Obliterator Lord joins can re-roll failed 'to-hit' rolls in the shooting phase. Any rolls of 1 when rolling 'to-wound' in the shooting phase may be re-rolled as well.

Enhanced Obliterator Weapons- The Obliterator lord has achieved a mastery of bio-mechanical engineering, allowing him to fire an additional weapon in the shooting phase. If the second weapon is twin linked, it doesn't re-roll.

Cool, I was thinking of something like that just earlier today. Inspired by the Deathwing whom are just Terminators, there could be Obliterator Cults led by Obliterator Lords, allowing Obliterators to be taken as Troop Choises (Much like Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Noise Marines and Plague Marines were Elites that could be taken as troops if led by a Lord with their Mark in the old edition). As of their high point-cost, I think such game could be pretty balanced still.

Riffzor wrote:Cool, I was thinking of something like that just earlier today. Inspired by the Deathwing whom are just Terminators, there could be Obliterator Cults led by Obliterator Lords, allowing Obliterators to be taken as Troop Choises (Much like Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Noise Marines and Plague Marines were Elites that could be taken as troops if led by a Lord with their Mark in the old edition). As of their high point-cost, I think such game could be pretty balanced still.

That's what I was thinking. 175 points is pretty steep for CSM. Our best HQ is only 155 (lashieprince).

I think marks should be totally different. There should be a special rule for each icon, and there should be more Icons. There should be marks for:
Each of the 9 traitor legions (to mark individual combat tactics for each legion)
Each of the Four major Chaos Gods.

Now,hear me out. The Icon should be over your entire army, not just a unit,to represent an organized Force.It basically shows that your playing a single army,not 3 mixed together. You can take whatever models you want, but there can only be a single icon in the army.

In other words, you can take plauge marines and obliterators, but they have to be part of the same army. Lets say...Word Bearers. You take the Word Bearer's Icon for your army, and you get a special rule for every model in the army. Great!

But Chaos GOD icons,hmm. Okay.

These would be more expensive than Legion Icons, but they would give appropriate stat-line changes to all your models. If you take a Nurgle icon, all models get +1 Toughness and FNP.

I've got a lot of ideas for this kind of thing, including being able to make your own Legion's special rules. I might make a thread.