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Defilers really laugh at Gauss weaponry. I was looking through my codex the other day trying to figure out how to get these pesky vehicles to stop dropping those S8 templates on my warriors. You can't glance them unless you focus fire literally everything into them and get lucky on a 5 or 6 on the dice roll (Gauss always glance on 6's, so the Demon-possessed will ignore a roll of 1 thru 4 on the dice roll on glancing hits).

Heavy Destroyers are an option, but they are a ridiculous 65 point model with one wound. I tried putting Lords with WarScythes on Destroyer bodies with Phase Shifters and trying to punch them, but it is a lot harder than it looks. Last time I tried that I only managed to immobolize it, then it punched my Lord back and killed it. lol. I suppose fielding a C'Tan is an option, but it will take the C'tan a nice little bit to get over to Defilers to punch them. Monolith is pretty unreliable as it will scatter 2/3 of the time. Other than that, is there really any other options to beat Demon-possesed vehicles that I am perhaps overlooking? Gauss weaponry just doesn't cut it.

You could always try drowning them in Scarabs. Won't do anything without DF's but will tie the Defilers up for a couple of turns, while the Deceiver walks slowly over to rip its legs off.

You could always try drowning them in Scarabs. Won't do anything without DF's but will tie the Defilers up for a couple of turns, while the Deceiver walks slowly over to rip its legs off.

I would be VERY impressed if I charge a squad of a full 10 Scarabs with DF's survived combat with a Defiler for longer than two assault phases. On average, Defiler gets 5 attacks, hits on 3, instant kills on 2+. So, he will ID 3 to 4 bases generally. That is even before my Scarabs get to punch back. So, I could be taking anywhere between 9 to 12 Fearless wounds in just the first round of combat alone. Perhaps, I don't even put DF's on them? Just run them in there and just tie it up for a shooting phase is all I need? It is only like 120 points for 10 of them... I might try that tonight actually.

Kurce wrote:

You could always try drowning them in Scarabs. Won't do anything without DF's but will tie the Defilers up for a couple of turns, while the Deceiver walks slowly over to rip its legs off.

I would be VERY impressed if I charge a squad of a full 10 Scarabs with DF's survived combat with a Defiler for longer than two assault phases. On average, Defiler gets 5 attacks, hits on 3, instant kills on 2+. So, he will ID 3 to 4 bases generally. That is even before my Scarabs get to punch back. So, I could be taking anywhere between 9 to 12 Fearless wounds in just the first round of combat alone. Perhaps, I don't even put DF's on them? Just run them in there and just tie it up for a shooting phase is all I need? It is only like 120 points for 10 of them... I might try that tonight actually.

If the goal is to tie it up charge the defiler with wraiths. Even with 5 CC attacks the mathhammer goes.
5/1 attacks 1/2 hit 5/6 wound 1/3 fail the invo=25/36 so the defiler will kill an average of a 70% chance of killing 1 wraith per turn, each attack has a 5/36 chance of killing a wraith so the chances of killing a wraith with each attack is 13.8%

If the goal is to tie it up charge the defiler with wraiths. Even with 5 CC attacks the mathhammer goes.
5/1 attacks 1/2 hit 5/6 wound 1/3 fail the invo=25/36 so the defiler will kill an average of a 70% chance of killing 1 wraith per turn, each attack has a 5/36 chance of killing a wraith so the chances of killing a wraith with each attack is 13.8%

This looks better. Altho, 3 wraiths is same price as 10 Scarabs. And Wraiths can still glance it on 6's. Might not be a bad idea. I think I might try out Wraiths tonight. I have never played them b4, but I have 3 of them just sitting in my case.

Just remember you'll still lose every round of combat as well so you'll have to take that LD test that you "might" fail as well.

That and the wraiths won't get WBB either I believe.

wraiths can have a WBB as long as they meet the criteria, (so other wraiths on the table, and a lord within res orb range if they get popped by the defiler. )

Cuz weir awesome. Jealous? That's what you get for playing an army that has a stale stratagem.

DarthSpader wrote:wraiths can have a WBB as long as they meet the criteria, (so other wraiths on the table, and a lord within res orb range if they get popped by the defiler. )

Ya, but it's uncommon that someone puts the res orb on a destroyer lord (I don't know why that is, I always have orbs on my lords) and a foot lord won't keep up with wraiths unless he gets a lucky veil. I'm just saying if they were on their own, they wouldn't get WBB so a lucky round will down your whole squad real quick.