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Hi all

I just got my pride handed to me by space wolves

First turn he podded in Njal with 3 terminators with lightning claws

Took loads of fire to bring him down, wasted my first turn

Thinking it stunk as a tactic thus want to copy it

Thus im thinking dropping 5 assault terminators into a drop pod and plonking it down in front of the enemy

Playing a tournament late July and although im tempted to go 5x TH/SS Termis due to sheet nastiness, im also conscious against hordes the twin LC can be very nice.

Thus thinking at this stage is 3x TH/SS and 2 LC

Thoughts/comments please?

It's not worth it for a Space Wolf army, their TH/SS Termies are more than 150% the cost.

Unless you are Space Wolves you cannot drop ppod terminators unfortunately.

If you are SW then ideal load out would be a mix of wolf Claws TH/SS and at least one special weapon (personally I would go with either assault cannon or Cyclone Missle Launcher) as you can't assault the turn you drop in. I would also have at least one combi melta to pop armour when you drop.

Ed_Bodger wrote:Unless you are Space Wolves you cannot drop ppod terminators unfortunately.

Black Templars says hi.

BT also have crappy shields so I doubt that the OP is playing BT .

Poding or deep striking assault termies is a bad idea. 12" threat range makes it way too easy for a mech force to stay away and still funtion att close to 100% effieicency and then just blast the termies away when you have neutered the opponents real threats

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ed_Bodger wrote:Unless you are Space Wolves you cannot drop ppod terminators unfortunately.

Black Templars says hi.

My apologies never read the Codex or payed any attention to BT.

Sorry all im playing Codex marines
Damn so only wolves can pod in termis?


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In codex it says for rhino and razor

'cannot carry models in terminator armour'

does not say that for pod?

Terminators can not buy any dedicated transports (besides a sinle LR) therefore even if they could pod they would not be able to since they cant be deployed in soomeone else dedicated transport

what is the reference?

Well, they don't have the option of buying a pod in their codex entry, so they can't. It really is that simple.

As to the fact that they cannot take another squads pod, read the part about Dedicated Transports in the BRB, don't got a page atm though, sorry.

The only way a unit can embark another units dedicated transport is to move up to it and enter it on turn 1 , as the drop pod will be deployed by then -- DOH !!!

if you want to try and pull that stunt with a codex chapter just put lysander and 6 TH / SS termies + a termie Chaplin in a crusader , then yell CHARGE !!!!!!!!

If nothing else it will be a hell of a bullet magnet

How bout pod in a dred or stern guard. Have the pod have a locator beacon. So then when your termies finally arrive, they don't deviate. Of course that doesn't really solve the problem of people playing run away and just killing your guys during the turn they come in.

If you are going to DS your termies, use shooting ones. That way they at least do something and are a credible threat the turn they come in.

Don't know how how many points you play - here is an 1800 pt list .. pdf attached

Alt theory 1 x drop pod + tac squad ( trick is leave the pod empty and deploy as normal )
2 x drop pod dreads plasma cannon + CCW +HF
lysander + 10 x TH/SS termies + Chaplin
2x vinicators ( i just love them )
1 x tac squad in rino

Turn 1 - Dreads land both gang up and plasma / flamer rape a squad ---- ( two targets to choose from )

Turn 2 - lysander and the wreaking crew land - menace a second squad ( with dread backup ) ---- ( now 3 targets )

Turn 3 - lysander + the boys go a stomping

Not a hard and fast list but its a suggestion

Hope it is of use

OOPS attached wrong doc

Thanks all

Darkangel im going with something similar to what you suggest

Going a single drop pod (locator beacon) with an Ironclad Dread (Hvy Flamer instead of stormbolter) - also taking 5 Assault Terminators to come in on that locator beacon

Thinking 4 TH/SS and 1 LC fitout on those 5

I know they will both cop hell but that is part of the plan

Two vindicators in my heavy support are hopefully left unmolested during that time, perhaps so are my rhinos, TLAC Dread and LR ..

Deepstriking assault termies seems really bad. You cant
have the till turn two at the earliest, which is actually turn three until they are active. At that time, the enemy has had a chance to move away and laugh at them. If they don't make it till turn three on the reserve roll, then they don't start till turn FOUR!! That means, that with deepstrike, 200pts of you army will not be active until the dead middle of the game, at wwhich time, they may be completley avoided for the rest of the game without some help to their mobility

Yep fair point
Going to playtest tomorrow in two games
Could end up being a very poor strategy - if so I will ditch it


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Changed my mind
Having Termis out for whole game is not cool
Think will start them in the centre and run forward as a bullet magnet together with the Ironclad dread coming via pod
Target saturation..

Seems plausible. Hopefully they focus on one and the other gets to come in and hammer them! Good luck!

My regular Dark Angel counter-part has a liking for 5 LC's and attacthing a Termie Chaplain. Re-rolls to hit, re-roll to wounds, its nasty! If you put them in a Land Raider they can assaukt upon disembarking, unlike deep striking in which you'd have to just sit and take your medicine! Granted, I'd run a TH heavy unit to deal with MC's or Vehicles but hey, having seen the LC's in action against Necrons and my own Guard and Chaos Marine forces I'd say run with it!

Well, how did the battle go?

Well I lost
His nurgle warptime prince took down a TH/SS termie and LC, then took 5 wounds from the hits back
His 5++ rolled 4 of those 5 away..
Next tuen he slaughtered the remainder, then turn 5 he hopped into my building and slaughtered by combat squad with plasma cannon holding my objective while his 7 nurgle marines incl PF held his own.
Him one obj, mine contested = loose

Here is the final decision
IM taking LYSANDER with 2 TH/SS and 3 LC
The Ironclad is taking locator beacon
V hordes the pod is coming down empty of course

Final decision seems nice, but I would get a LR of some sort for the Lysander squad. Slogging them is a horrible idea. And, it seems that your opponent got extremely by make 4 of 5 5++ saves...doesn't happen that often :(

Yeah, I use Lysander with terminators in a land raider redeemer quite often on vassal.

After a lot of testing, maximum thunder hammer/ storm shield is turning out to be the most efficient. Without the SS, the squad really can't go toe to toe with any other deathstars short of the armor save allowing deathstar. (If it doesn't have Yriel)

I think you should have a maximum of two lightning claws, let alone one.

Good luck either way though, Lysander is just a beast.

Thanks all