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Hey guys,

I've been reading around on the forums but I havent found a straight answer for this: can the eldar use psychic powers that don't occur during the shooting phase in cc? fortune, guide, doom etc

feediz wrote:Hey guys,

I've been reading around on the forums but I havent found a straight answer for this: can the eldar use psychic powers that don't occur during the shooting phase in cc? fortune, guide, doom etc

If by "in CC", you mean "Locked in Combat at the start of the turn", then yes, you can.

cheers

*Warning* Complete devils advocate here

Where does it say they can use it in close combat? The rules are premissive and there for it must say you can use it while locked in close combat.

jbunny wrote:*Warning* Complete devils advocate here

Where does it say they can use it in close combat? The rules are premissive and there for it must say you can use it while locked in close combat.

Actually, No, it doesn't.

You have Permission to use them at the start of the Turn.
There, that's my Permission. Now, you have to find something negating that permission.

jbunny wrote:*Warning* Complete devils advocate here

Where does it say they can use it in close combat? The rules are premissive and there for it must say you can use it while locked in close combat.

Huh? Really? It does *not* need to be that specific.

How does this: Darn (something): "all smacks caused to the target gain a re-roll to wound until the start of the next space elf turn." *not* cover the permissive rule-set?

Wounds are caused in shooting. Wounds are caused in h2h. The elvish psy power Darn says it causes wounds to be rerolled. Thus it works in h2h.

Surely, you don't pull this BS on a player at the table. Only, when you want to bait Gwar?


Oh, it's "Therefore".

He meant can the power be cast while locked in close combat, not does the effect work in CC

but yes, you can cast the power while locked in CC as long as it's not a psy-shooting attack.

BlueDagger wrote:He meant can the power be cast while locked in close combat, not does the effect work in CC

but yes, you can cast the power while locked in CC as long as it's not a psy-shooting attack.

...and it's not limited to Eldar powers. Close Combat does present great problems if you need line of sight, though.

Luckily, none of the non-shooting Eldar powers require LOS.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Luckily, none of the non-shooting Eldar powers require LOS.

...well, except for Eldritch Storm, which doesn't even scatter.

It's a shooting attack and it does scatter.

MasterSlowPoke: No, not really. They have legitimate exceptions to the psychic shooting attacks.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/218710.page#385990
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/221338.page#546140
or, outside source with a huge debate: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167585&highlight=scatter&page=10

Follow the Codex' exact wording, or better yet: don't take the power regardless of what version of rules you use because it's crap.

Brothererekose wrote:

jbunny wrote:*Warning* Complete devils advocate here

Where does it say they can use it in close combat? The rules are premissive and there for it must say you can use it while locked in close combat.

Huh? Really? It does *not* need to be that specific.

How does this: Darn (something): "all smacks caused to the target gain a re-roll to wound until the start of the next space elf turn." *not* cover the permissive rule-set?

Wounds are caused in shooting. Wounds are caused in h2h. The elvish psy power Darn says it causes wounds to be rerolled. Thus it works in h2h.

Surely, you don't pull this BS on a player at the table. Only, when you want to bait Gwar?


Oh, it's "Therefore".

2 Things here

1. Did you fail to see the big ass Warning in my first sentence?

2. Where did i ever mention Gwar in my post?

Sounds like you are tring to bait someone.

Whoa, there, correcting someone on grammar? Let's not, mkay?

Now, addressing jbunny's devil speak correctly: The rule for Doom says that you pick one unit within 18" of the Farseer. Since it isn't referencing any other rules, such as line of sight or working it as shooting, the rules gives you permission to pick one (1) unit within eighteen (18) inch of the Farseer.
Since this is a general permission, you need restrictions on this permission in order to prevent it from being used on units with do not fall in the general area of "enemy" inside "18 inch".

I.e. my permission doesn't restrict me, therefore I can.

jbunny wrote:2 Things here

1. Did you fail to see the big ass Warning in my first sentence?

There's being a Devil's Advocate on an issue and then there's baiting. Being a Devil's Advocate (DA) when an issue is as grey/contentious as ... say, LW vs Banshee Masks, or 4e's AP1 vs. SkimmersMovingFast then I can see someone claiming the shield of Devil's Advocacy, and giving it to them.

But claiming DA for Psy powers in h2h? You didn't even present an 'argument', just a request to find where the rules give permission. 'It's a permissive rules set, so you need to find it, point it out' etc. for using Psy powers in h2h? And with the other thread you're tangling with him?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/304311.page

Gwar does come off as a pretentious Rules Lawyer (that arrogant avatar and the links do him no favors) but I figured you were stepping over the line on this thread and I called you on it.

jbunny wrote:2. Where did i ever mention Gwar in my post?

*smirk* Your's was the fourth post on the thread. The OP posted twice, with Gwar answering him. Who else would you be addressing?

jbunny wrote:Sounds like you are tring to bait someone.

No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of your request ... given the the exchange in the other YMDC thread.
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BTW:
Did *I* manage to present enough evidence answer feediz's question about allowing eldar shooty psy-powers to be used in h2h?

Again, I never addressed anyone. I asked an open question for anyone to answer. Gwar did answer, and you will notice that I did not question his answer.

I tangle with Gwar in several post, but that does not mean i an tangling with him here. In the topic you linked, I was asking him to clear up his position that he was not following RAW.

As far as my question on permission, I did give an arguement. I stated that the rules must give permission, and asked where is the permission?


Edit: And left out a word above.
Also tangling (having discussions) is not baiting or trolling.

Modquisition on. Everyone be nice or suffer the indignation of a provolone beatdown!

jbunny wrote:As far as my question on permission, I did give an arguement. I stated that the rules must give permission, and asked where is the permission?

You can use it at the beginning of the turn. There it is. Do I need specific permission to be able to fire my fire dragons specifically?

Edit: And left out a word above.
Also tangling (having discussions) is not baiting or trolling.

Wow. Ok. So you weren't tangling with him. You were baiting him, and being a troll. Thanks for that correction.

Oh wow, somene just stepped in the minefield. Now you must all sing the weiner dog song. Last warning.

WE LOVE HTE WEINER DOGZ !! WE ALL HAIL HTE NEW WEINER DOGZ OVERLORD !!

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Exactly. BBF understands the power of the Dark Side. Now everyone play nice.

The permission to cast the spell is in the text of the spell itself.

As its not a psychic shooting attack it can be used in cc.

To be honest, the OP, as well as my question has been answered, and the thread could be locked.

I am not familiar with this ritual but okay ...

Black Blow Fly wrote:WE LOVE HTE WEINER DOGZ !! WE ALL HAIL HTE NEW WEINER DOGZ OVERLORD !!
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I do appreciate you stopping by, Frazzled.

jbunny wrote:To be honest, the OP, as well as my question has been answered, and the thread could be locked.

So, out of curiosity, you still believe that permission is not there, or have you wizened up?