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this is my eldar amy list


i would appreciate amy thoughts on it as i am thinking of starting it and need help tweeking it

1x autarch
1x autarch

10x jetbike
10x jetbike
10x jetbike
10x jetbike

3x vypers
3x vypers

1x fireprism
1x fireprism


i dont know wot upgrades to give them so any sugestions would be appreciated but it has to be no more than 2000pts

seems a very fast list try and give the autarch thingys jetbikes so there not to slow

Oops my bad i ment autarch on jetbike. The one that you can buy frow GW and i got the idea from a friend that works at GW thurrok

from my first look at the list i can see your gonna have trouble in just about all aspects of the game...you have only 2 models that have any melee potential, and it looks like your not gonna have any good shooting from turn to turn. and yes i know you haven't figured out what your gear is on your stuff. your regular jetbikes wont be doing anything worth while as they are very easy to pop even if you turbo boost all over the place or even leave them in reserve. while if you do leave them in reserve then you really wont have that many targets from your opponents view.

ive always liked the vipers but imo are not worth it...even in a squad it only takes one good hit to make them ineffective. it would be better to make 3 squads of 2 out of them for a little better surviability. and try to designate each unit to perform one task...like maybe one for tank hunting and the others for anti infantry. your prisms are alright, i would suggest holo fields and spirit stones. and try to re-work your troops mainly because a full 10 man squad of jetbikes is a big unit space wise. now if the flight bases were a bit smaller i dont think it would be that big of a problem as the unit is as easily big as a full mob of orc boyz which makes them easy to target from just about anything. and with only a toughness of 4 they are just as easy to take down as a standard marine. also watch out for ordinance blast sized templates. now with your autarchs you will have to make up for the lack of close combat for just in case it comes up. you really cant go wrong here but i would add mandiblaster, laser lance, and maybe a fusion gun. that should do the trick as it gives you anti-tank/MC and added str in cc.

and im sure there is more, but cant really think atm

thx for the feed back

the only reason i thought about jet bikes is so that they can get there quick do a bit of shooting ( i sopose it would be just as good if not better than an ork slugger considering you need fives followed by 4 to W a space marine ) and then during assult phase move back 6 inches so they cant assult me and then shoot them during my next turn and move back again and so on.



I hope that makes sense.

I agree with the previous poster in respect to the Vypers. If you do want to hang onto them, 3 squads of 2 each is a better loadout.

I'm also not too sure what kind of competitive list this will make, it doesn't have much resilience beyond the turboboosting. I'd suggest swapping in a bike-bound seer council to help the list all around. They can bring down about anything, and soak up a lot more fire than anything else in your list.

with what you plan on doing for your jetbikes, is if your with in the 12" range to shoot then so is your opponent and they will easily die to small arms fire fairly quickly. but you have to remember majority of the str on small arms weapons is str 4. and again the unit takes up alot of space and will be very easy to target. also with the same plan, you will most likely get charged as well, getting within the 12" range and back 6" may take you outta threat range, but with the over abundance of melee based armies out there you better plan on getting charged, even more so if you manage to get all 10 guys in shooting range

Seems..Fast...Looks fine though...Give the autarchs something good. Oh, and tis will be murder for your wallet, JSYK

i know it works out just under £300 pound just for the jet bikes


thx for all the advice

i was woundering is it posible to take a full unit of howling banshes in transport or maybee two lots of the above remembering the 2 hq 6 troop and so on

ya its possible but not sure on your pt total for your posted army...also banshees work better with a doomseer. but if you add them i can honestly say the transport will be the first to go down as its the only one or 2 if you add in 2

thx again for advice my original post wass under 2000 pts

why do you say the transport would go down first?

in a game where you have a few tanks such as your 2 prisms and 6 vipers, and you only have one transport or 2 they usually go down first just to cause its cargo to essentially be rendered ineffective and are then able to be shot down by small arms fire. which happens very easily when you only have a toughness of 3 and a 4+ sv especially at a 2k game. and once a player commits enough shots to take the transport down thats one less thing to worry bout shooting with your big guns. now if you had say 3+ transports then its a different story, as you will be able to bounce your cargo around from transport to transport as they get shot down.

so do transports take up troop choices?

nope they dont take any troop choices...but just as in any other army if you have very few of a unit that can do multiple things they usually are the first to go

WTF is this?Make a proper list and then post it up here
Learn your rules too


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Your OP has no upgrade signs, you don't know what to give them?THINK HARD AND TRY!

Wings of Light wrote:WTF is this?Make a proper list and then post it up here
Learn your rules too


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Your OP has no upgrade signs, you don't know what to give them?THINK HARD AND TRY!

I dont have the eldar codex or any eldar models, it was just an idea that I was thinking of doing and i dont know wot upgrades they can have.

Wings of Light wrote:WTF is this?Make a proper list and then post it up here
Learn your rules too


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Your OP has no upgrade signs, you don't know what to give them?THINK HARD AND TRY!

dude not cool...he posted his list even though there are no wargear.it might be confusing to some, but the point of posting most lists is to get help...which is what is happening here. and everyone at one point in time didnt know the rules.

and jde its alright if you dont have a codex, i also make lists and sometimes post them for some help on starting a new army with a different codex as i dont want to make a list and find out that some units are crap and ended up wasting $$$ on something that im never gonna use again. and you seem to have a general idea of what you want to do with your army so i would suggest maybe playing a game or two with proxies and see how the army works for you

thx

I know wot you mean coz i spent over £300 on nids and they are rubish for me

but wot are proxies

Proxies are where you use something to represent a unit or model you don't have.

For example, using a book to represent a grav-tank, a unit of IG troops to represent a unit of Guardians, etc.

It lets you try out different armies/units without having to buy them first - usually you can only do this if you are playing a friendly game against someone you know

Wings of Light wrote:WTF is this?Make a proper list and then post it up here
Learn your rules too


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Your OP has no upgrade signs, you don't know what to give them?THINK HARD AND TRY!

Rule number 1, my friend. Rule number 1....

Also, good luck!

yup yup

I apologize for that harsh statement

Two posting accounts? Nono!

No need for proxies with vassal! 2d top-down view, 40k over the internet! Alot of dakkites use vassal, including myself. Links in my signature.

Didnt I cover that in my introduction?
Didnt I mention why I have two accounts here?

Just saw that, so I assume it is a shared computer. It was a little confusing once I pieced together..................................... what happened to his signature....................... or post count............ or....... name...

Amazing english compared to some posters though, so I do give you four kudos for that.

thanks, and yes we share the same computer for now

1x autarch w/ bike, fusion gun, laser lance, mandiblaster 140pts
1x autarch w/ bike, fusion gun, laser lance, mandiblaster 140pts

12x jetbike w/ 4 shuriken cannons 304pts
9x jetbike w/ 3 shuriken cannons 228pts
9x jetbike w/ 3 shuriken cannons 228pts
9x jetbike w/ 3 shuriken cannons 228pts

2x vypers w/ scatterlaser and shuriken cannon 140pts
2x vypers w/ scatterlaser and shuriken cannon 140pts
2x vypers w/ scatterlaser and shuriken cannon 140pts

1x fireprism w/ holofields 150pts
1x fireprism w/ holofields 150pts

1998 total

weapon descriptions

fusion gun... str8 ap1 12" assault 1
shuriken cannon... str6 ap5 24" heavy 3
scatterlaser... str6 ap6 heavy 4
laser lance... str6 ap4 6" assault 1
mandiblaster... +1 attack

Speaking from personal experience, this list will fail you hard for a single reason... Guardian Jetbikes get CRUSHED in close combat. You WILL get cornered eventually or face jetpack assault, or a winged demon on the board etc etc. When that happens they will die a terrible and pathetic death.

That being said I almost always take two packs of:2 GJB, 1 GJB w/ Cannon, Warlock Jetbiker with Spear and embolden. Banking half your points into GJB will result in failsauce in the competitive environment.

Meh, they should be able to bat away at least a unit a turn depending on the enemy army get up. Entirely jetjump armies are quite rare.

Assault range shouldn't be a problem if you have that much fire power. (Granted, I usually take more )