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2010/07/14 09:56:15
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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If i put a Blood Angel Assault Squad in a Land raider and deep strike them do i get to us Descent of Angels
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2010/07/14 09:57:48
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
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2010/07/14 10:03:04
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Storm Guard
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HellsGuardian316 wrote:O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
Yes BA can deepstrike landraiders, no, the vehicle cannot use descent of angels.
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2010/07/14 10:03:13
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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HellsGuardian316 wrote:O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
Blood Angels can Deep Strike an LR its in the codex and Decent of Angels says that if the squad DS they get to use Decent of Angels it doesnt specify how they have to DS
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2010/07/14 10:04:31
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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Wow, not only do I stand corrected but I also have a new tactic to try
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2010/07/14 10:05:50
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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HellsGuardian316 wrote:Wow, not only do I stand corrected but I also have a new tactic to try
yeah i have several little LR tricks i wanna try
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2010/07/14 10:05:55
Subject: Re:Flying Land Raiders
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Storm Guard
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Descent of Angels specifies that only the units with the rule descent of angels benefit from it, and other units that deep strike must do so normally. The land raider does not have the special rule and must deep strike normally. The downside of hurling a land raider from a thunderhawk I suppose.
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2010/07/14 10:06:07
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Lord of the Fleet
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No, as the Assault Squad is technically not Deep Striking. The Land Raider is DS-ing, the Assault Squad is being "carried", while not using Deep Strike.
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2010/07/14 10:06:40
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Bishop99 wrote:If i put a Blood Angel Assault Squad in a Land raider and deep strike them do i get to us Descent of Angels
Q: If a unit with Descent of Angels rule Deep Strikes via
a transport, teleport or means other than by jump
pack, can the Descent of Angels rule still be used?
A: No.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240365a_FAQ_BloodAngels_2010.pdf
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2010/07/14 10:08:41
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Viper217 wrote:HellsGuardian316 wrote:O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
Yes BA can deepstrike landraiders, no, the vehicle cannot use descent of angels.
But all the Codex says is that if a squad Deep Strikes and they Have Decent of Angels then they can use it Automatically Appended Next Post:
The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
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2010/07/14 10:10:39
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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Land Raider is not a squad, it is a vehicle, and its the vehicle that is deep striking, as Valkyrie said, the Assualt Squad are just along for the ride, if that helps explain it better 
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2010/07/14 10:10:54
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Valkyrie wrote:No, as the Assault Squad is technically not Deep Striking. The Land Raider is DS-ing, the Assault Squad is being "carried", while not using Deep Strike.
Thanks that is what i was thinking but just wanted to make sure
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2010/07/14 10:18:40
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Courageous Questing Knight
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Bishop99 wrote:Viper217 wrote:HellsGuardian316 wrote:O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
Yes BA can deepstrike landraiders, no, the vehicle cannot use descent of angels.
But all the Codex says is that if a squad Deep Strikes and they Have Decent of Angels then they can use it
er... they don't have the rule.
The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
They have a jump pack. it's in their wargear. silly boy.
they even have jump packs on their back.
The jump pack is what allows you to use the DOA SR; the fact is, you're just trying to find reasons for you to be right, and I find that appauling.
Thesis:
The codex says nothing about the jump pack. (wrong) It's only fluff. fluff isn't a rule. (it's not fluff.)
GW FAQ are way to go mind you. it means that you cannot use the power without a jump pack. (by definition provided by our friend red8sn) you go into a LR, you loose your Jump pack. same for vanillies.
sorry, my friend. but even so, LR in assault squad? overkill.
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2010/07/14 10:18:41
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Bishop99 wrote:The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
It mentions in the Wargear section that any unit with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike and does use Descent of Angels. So any Blood Angel with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike.
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2010/07/14 10:19:26
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Courageous Questing Knight
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correction! any model with a jump pack can deepstrike, full stop. angels just do it differently.
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2010/07/14 10:28:20
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jon Garrett wrote:Bishop99 wrote:The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
It mentions in the Wargear section that any unit with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike and does use Descent of Angels. So any Blood Angel with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike.
thanks for mentioning that i missed that part Automatically Appended Next Post: Captain Solon wrote:Bishop99 wrote:Viper217 wrote:HellsGuardian316 wrote:O_O
Unless Blood Angels have some magical ability to deep strike Land Raiders, you cannot Deep Strike Land Raiders. Putting squads with the ability inside a vehicle does not automatically grant that ability unless Specified.
Yes BA can deepstrike landraiders, no, the vehicle cannot use descent of angels.
But all the Codex says is that if a squad Deep Strikes and they Have Decent of Angels then they can use it
er... they don't have the rule.
The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
They have a jump pack. it's in their wargear. silly boy.
they even have jump packs on their back.
The jump pack is what allows you to use the DOA SR; the fact is, you're just trying to find reasons for you to be right, and I find that appauling.
Thesis:
The codex says nothing about the jump pack. (wrong) It's only fluff. fluff isn't a rule. (it's not fluff.)
GW FAQ are way to go mind you. it means that you cannot use the power without a jump pack. (by definition provided by our friend red8sn) you go into a LR, you loose your Jump pack. same for vanillies.
sorry, my friend. but even so, LR in assault squad? overkill.
Your right i am trying to find a reason to be right isnt that why they have this section. However i had already admitted that i was wrong and now that the wargear passage was pointed out it is a mute point
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Jon Garrett wrote:Bishop99 wrote:The codex says nothing about using a jump pack thats only in the fluff and fluff is not a rule
It mentions in the Wargear section that any unit with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike and does use Descent of Angels. So any Blood Angel with a Jump Pack can Deep Strike.
i know but in the Rules sectione where it talks about DOA it says any squad with this special rule cand do it and assault marines have it listed on there profile but assault marines don't need to have jump packs
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2010/07/14 10:39:26
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Courageous Questing Knight
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well... this section is more about finding out the REAL answer, not trying to make it fit you. thats what you have PR for.
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2010/07/14 10:41:11
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Captain Solon wrote:well... this section is more about finding out the REAL answer, not trying to make it fit you. thats what you have PR for.
i Am trying to find the real answer and i got it a bit ago and that is the Land Raider is DS and they are along for the ride
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2010/07/14 10:41:59
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Captain Solon wrote:correction! any model with a jump pack can deepstrike, full stop. angels just do it differently.
Further correction, any model that is simply JUMP INFANTRY can DS. Angels just have an additional bonus when doing said DS with JPs. 
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2010/07/14 10:48:28
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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Captain Solon wrote:well... this section is more about finding out the REAL answer, not trying to make it fit you. thats what you have PR for.
Actually, if we're all going to get up on Semantics I'll mention that YMDC is actually where people can post a query on something they are, or are not clear on and possible offer evidence of why they think it may be this or that and open it up for discussion where others will then say wether they think its this way or that way and either vouch or offer sources or page references for proof .. .. if we go by semantics that is 
( couldn't resist a jibe but I just know this is gonna blow up in my face for saying that )
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2010/07/14 18:16:31
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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The New Miss Macross!
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since we're on semantics, i vote the OP change the subject of the original post. technically, the land raider is not flying... it's FALLING!!! and, no, as stated above via the FAQ and common sense reading of the rules, you can NOT use descent of angels while falling in your AV14 rock.
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2010/07/14 22:31:45
Subject: Re:Flying Land Raiders
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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How do people still post questions about something answered in an FAQ?
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2010/07/14 23:31:00
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Fixture of Dakka
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Bishop99 wrote:i Am trying to find the real answer and i got it a bit ago and that is the Land Raider is DS and they are along for the ride
I think, Bishop99, you have the option of locking the thread, since you being the OP ... dunno for sure ....
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2010/07/14 23:41:45
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Why would you want to,
a - have a jump pack assault unit in a land raider?
b - waste the ds land raider rule by transporting a unit that can already ds?
c - debate what seems to be an answered question?
d - play blood angels?
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2010/07/15 01:36:44
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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geordie09 wrote:d - play blood angels?
They're blinged out space-nazi-vampires who drop land raiders on people from space and their dreadnaughts come with giant blender hands. They have a chapter master who kicks people in the junk and has a gigantic two-handed chainsaw as his weapon of choice. Why wouldn't you want to play Blood Angels?
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2010/07/15 01:42:03
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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forkbanger wrote:geordie09 wrote:d - play blood angels?
They're blinged out space-nazi-vampires who drop land raiders on people from space and their dreadnaughts come with giant blender hands. They have a chapter master who kicks people in the junk and has a gigantic two-handed chainsaw as his weapon of choice. Why wouldn't you want to play Blood Angels?
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2010/07/15 02:15:07
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Gwar! wrote:forkbanger wrote:geordie09 wrote:d - play blood angels?
They're blinged out space-nazi-vampires who drop land raiders on people from space and their dreadnaughts come with giant blender hands. They have a chapter master who kicks people in the junk and has a gigantic two-handed chainsaw as his weapon of choice. Why wouldn't you want to play Blood Angels?
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2010/07/15 04:49:15
Subject: Re:Flying Land Raiders
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Making Stuff
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Kurgash wrote:How do people still post questions about something answered in an FAQ?
Not everyone thinks to check the FAQ first. And some players don't even know of their existence, or where to find them.
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2010/07/15 05:02:20
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Then why do people still debate things afte a link to said FAQ has been posted?
Oh, wait I'm in YMDC....never mind...
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2010/07/15 07:19:54
Subject: Flying Land Raiders
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Why hasn't anyone pointed out that Jump-pack troopers cannot ride in any transport(other than the Storm Raven)?
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