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so i play OK and i was looking for an alternate list when i stumbled across Ogre Bull Rhinox Riders

so obviosly, abit of theory hammer came into play... and here you go

Ghark Ironskin-485

3 Rhinox Riders-300

2 Rhinox Riders-200

Scrap Launcher-165

Scrap Launcher-165

10 Bulls-350

10 Bulls-350


Now, its all very low graded units however it does mean theres lots of them!

but how do you guys think it would play?

Why are the bulls in units of 10? I'm trying to picture the formation you're planning for them, but I'm not seeing it. Rhinox Riders look awesome, there's a few in the case at the Bunker near here, I believe using the rhinox from the scrap launcher kit. They're incredible!

A ogre hord ate my face today, I can't beleave just how good those guys are now.

I know they really are, no the ogres where just for the points so i could take 2 off and have 70 points for upgrades! maybe on my riders!

I'd drop the size on the bulls units and upgrade.

the riders need upgrades, so ifonfist is a must to make them last longer, go with the bull rhinox(?) aswell for the extra impact.

because of the new percentage limits they cant be made more expensive :(

Split up the two units of 10 bulls into 3 units of 6 Bulls, in 3x2 formation. Much better.

I think units of 10 are better because:
They have supporting ranks which means you do S5 Bull Charge, on top of the new Stomp Special Rule. And then you make you normal attacks - with both ranks attacking (courtesy of the horde Special Rule. In addition, this makes them harder to polish off with shooting, and harder to force to take any Panic checks, as Ogre Leadership is rather low.

Stomp is ASL, right?

actually for once i agree with karon, by splitting up yhe units it gives more targets! and with the horde, i wouldnt get any benefits with only 1 rank...

Each to their own.
I'd advise trying them both out before coming to a conclusion about which is better.

I reckon a big unit is the best option. And put a battle standard and a butcher in there and their almost indistructable. I have used a unit of 10 Bulls, a battle standard bearer and a butcher before and nothing has yet stopped it.

When they charge (they will). Bulls- 41 standard attacks, 10 strength 5 hits (bull charge) and 10 strength 4 stomp attacks. Plus all the charactors attacks and so on. The butcher has awsome magic to upgrade the unit. Imagine a unit of 10 bulls plus charactors with regenorate and toughness 5!!!

Small units do give the enemy more targets but this also means they can isolate your units and destroy them very quikly. Small units of ogres don't pack a punch like a big unit.

This combo works really well and i'd adise using it.

I do like that idea, and the only problem would be points. perhaps in a bigger game, or in my non cavelry OK but at a 2k, id have nothing to cut out of THIS list, however i do like the idea of that combo, and i certainly be using it on my normal 2k :-) ill post that list up next...


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so this is my unmodified 2k

Tyrant-328
heavy armour
Giant breaker
Cathayan longsword
demon killer scars
greedy fist
wyrdstine necklace
brace of handguns

Bruiser-224
BSB
Dragonhide banner
Heavy armour
luck gnoblar

Butcher-180
Bangstick
dispell scroll

Slave giant-175

2 leadbelchers-110

2 leadbelchers-110

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

6 Bulls-258
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)


so tahts the 2k i usually use, how would you guys recommend on changing this?

and to save time, my bulls normally are 43points each after armour and IF.




My 3 k is...
Tyrant-328
heavy armour
Giant breaker
Cathayan longsword
demon killer scars
greedy fist
wyrdstine necklace
brace of handguns

Bruiser-224
BSB
Dragonhide banner
Heavy armour
luck gnoblar

Butcher-180
Bangstick
dispell scroll

Slave giant-175

2 leadbelchers-110

2 leadbelchers-110

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

2 leadbelchers

Tyrant-328
heavy armour
Giant breaker
Cathayan longsword
demon killer scars
greedy fist
wyrdstine necklace
brace of handguns

Bruiser-224
BSB
Dragonhide banner
Heavy armour
luck gnoblar

Butcher-180
Bangstick
dispell scroll

Slave giant-175

2 leadbelchers-110

2 leadbelchers-110

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

Tyrant-328
heavy armour
Giant breaker
Cathayan longsword
demon killer scars
greedy fist
wyrdstine necklace
brace of handguns

Bruiser-224
BSB
Dragonhide banner
Heavy armour
luck gnoblar

Butcher-180
Bangstick
dispell scroll

Slave giant-175

2 leadbelchers-110

2 leadbelchers-110

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

6 Bulls-308
Light armour
Ironfists (which i usually use as shields)
Full command

4 Ironguts-242
Full command

20 Gnoblars-42
Groinbitter

Scraplauncher-165
gorger-75


help on that would be good too guys

Yeah I agree, the game would have to be very large. I like your list.

TY very much, i used to play a tyrant with:
Thundermace
Greedy fist
Mawseeker
Tal of Prot for 311 points but it wasnt often that i needed the TM so i thought ill make him a skilled swordsman1 lol

i belive i could throw in two of my bulls units in 2k list together to make a 10. ill try it out on saturday!

I saw the topic and thought you might be talking about the Sci Fi type OGREs





In which case I would have to agree, OGREs do rule!

I don't play fantasy though

Jake

lol, what game is that? what scale?

Here's an army list that exploits the Butcher in a horde of ogres:

HEROES:
Bruiser (184)pts
-Heavy Armour (4)
-Siegebreaker (30)
-Wirdstone Necklace (20)

Butcher (155)pts
-Halflng Cook Book (25)

CORE:
11 Ogre Bulls (488)pts
-Full Command (50)
-Light Armour (33)
-Hand Weapons and Iron Fists (55)

11 Ogre Ironguts (598)pts
-Full Command (50)
-Bull Standard (20)

RARE:
Gorger (75)pts

TOTAL: 1500 points

that does seem verey intresting! but what would you do to put that to a 2k?

The only thing that worries me about your list is the complete lack of magical defense...

A level 4 wizard could run rampant and do unspeakable things to your army...

Oh i know, its just fitting in a butcher with the points, i do have one in my main list however

Feedback scrolls can rape an enemy wizard who doesn't have a Ward save.


Here is a magic defence combo we worked up @ www.Ogrestronghold.com

6+ ironguts with Runemaw and 6+ Bulls with a Charactor inside with 3 Gnoblar Thiefstones. Runemaw redirects to the Bulls who have a 4+ ward against magic.


Thundermace is better now that there are no partials. there is a potential 19 hits with that thing.

I know i use thundermace sometimes when i think it would come in handy, alldepending on my opponent really!
that tactics pretty cool templar ill have to give that a try