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So, Do you disagree to an opposing player using blue tac to symbolise weapons?

I say yes. My friends likes using a blob of blue tac for a Hunter Killer Missile, and proposes to use it for combi meltas. (YES DYLAN YOU.)

wouldnt you friend have HKMs and combi-meltas?

I say "yes" I DO disagree! In Friendly games.... maybe. In tounaments NEVER!!! wysiwyg FTW!!

raptor8 wrote:wouldnt you friend have HKMs and combi-meltas?

no, he has no models for them

As long as its clear and consistent, it would be sort of a tfg thing to not allow it. If it was a tournament, if the to allowed it, who are you to make a stink over something so trivial

I am just...

It is only in friendly games, but, to be fair, it does look like a HK missile. The combi-melta i can understand, but the HK missile looks relatively realistic.

I have personally used 6 blocks of wood as Chimeras(cut to length, and already the correct width, they were just a little short) in a tournament; the TO allowed it, everybody thought it was an interesting way to field them since I was incapable at the time of buying that many actual models.

Also my list was not a full Chi-melta-vet list, the Chimeras went to Platoon Squads. needless to say I did not win the event(came in 4th though).

I had Painted the Wood to match my 1 actual Chimera and they were all outfitted as stock models(Multi-laser and heavy bolter).

RAW - "The rule is that such equipment must be visually
represented on the model so your opponents can
clearly see what they are facing." Despite the 'clearly' qualification blu-tac is a visual representation.

Im happy with the poll, but surprised with the responses.

I am, with no better way to word it, disgusted that a tournament would allow such blasphemy and heresy as to let you use blocks of wood as chimeras.

What he proposed to do today was stick cylindrical pieces of bluetac on top of his boltguns to make them sternguard with combi meltas.

I really cant deal with that type of thing. And he really is the only person that does it. The reality is if you do not have the models, you may not field it.


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Mattieau wrote:It is only in friendly games, but, to be fair, it does look like a HK missile. The combi-melta i can understand, but the HK missile looks relatively realistic.

You have no place in my topics, and insult me by being here!

Jaon wrote:
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Mattieau wrote:It is only in friendly games, but, to be fair, it does look like a HK missile. The combi-melta i can understand, but the HK missile looks relatively realistic.

You have no place in my topics, and insult me by being here!

Unless Mattieau is your friend who uses the blu-tank proxies, random abuse isn't a good idea 'round here. Everyone is welcome to post everywhere.

It is a proxy, and if you are allowing the use of proxies in your game, then obviously it is the same as anything else. A block of wood is not an acceptable proxy for a chimera, nor is a coke bottle an acceptable dreadnought. An actual model with a bit of blu-tack shaped to signify a weapon he does not have is actually better than the average proxy, and I don't think it's worth complaining about unless you insist on WYSIWYG.

I might also point out that the negative prefix 'dis-' makes the poll answers you have offered somewhat confusing. It should be, "Do you agree...?"

Jaon wrote: The reality is if you do not have the models, you may not field it.

That nice, but please be aware that this is a 'house-rule' and as per-usual the whole game depends on both players working together.

ChrisCP wrote:RAW - "The rule is that such equipment must be visually
represented on the model so your opponents can
clearly see what they are facing." Despite the 'clearly' qualification blu-tac is a visual representation.

Blocks of wood, i would probably not allow. Blocks of wood shaped vaguely like the chassis of a chimera and painted like one, sure.

As long as they're paying the points for it and it's the same general shape and size, i don't see a problem with it.

And yes I am a friend of his, but no I am not THE friend. I play eldar and am perfectly content with my one tank that i can afford.

I would allow it in a friendly game, but not so sure in a tournament only because I try as hard as I can to make my list as much WYSIWYG as I possibly can.

That being said I have use all sorts of things when playing. I've used SoB as a PBS, I've use an insectosaurus from Monsters vs. Aliens as both a Hive Tyrand and a Carnafex... My group has used red Dixie cups as drop pods. Our major rule is that they have to either be relative size or extremely hilarious (hence the insectosaurus) when playing to be allowed... lol

Converting combi-meltas on metal models is a pain in the ass. So long as he was consistent about it, I would allow it. Though he hsould try and make it shaped like the general shape of the HKM/combimelta.

Why not buy a small length of hollow tubing? (5mm round)
Just simply cut a few slits in it and add it onto the bolter.
Cheap and nasty combi-melta that looks like such.

OT: I rather not play against a blu-tac weapon army.
If it was a money problem - i guess i cant complain here, i'd allow it.
If it was just lazyness - no way, if you are able to do something but just dont want to, i rather not.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Why not buy a small length of hollow tubing? (5mm round)
Just simply cut a few slits in it and add it onto the bolter.
Cheap and nasty combi-melta that looks like such.

OT: I rather not play against a blu-tac weapon army.
If it was a money problem - i guess i cant complain here, i'd allow it.
If it was just lazyness - no way, if you are able to do something but just dont want to, i rather not.

It is perfectly possible to get your hands on combi-weaponry from bits sellers actual kits, and ebay. In this way i see it as more laziness than a money problem, as a combi meltas not going to cost more than 2 dollars on ebay. If he actually bought them I would have no problem.

I (apparently) have the most money of my gaming group, or so they tell me. Because of this, I get accused of trying to favour myself by me having the ability to field REAL MODELS while my friends woul much prefer to...cut out pieces of paper and ...No thats not true would much prefer to use blue tac and half built models as what they have.

This is not the case at all. But if I allowed my self to use blue-tac to symbolize weapons, I would have 2 4 x plasma command squads and kill all their nice units.

http://shop.ebay.com.au/i.html?LH_AvailTo=15&_nkw=combi+melta

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ChrisCP wrote:http://shop.ebay.com.au/i.html?LH_AvailTo=15&_nkw=combi+melta

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Cut a melta and a bolter?

Jaon wrote:It is perfectly possible to get your hands on combi-weaponry from bits sellers actual kits, and ebay.

Actually, it's not. If you play Chaos, sure, but unless you want your Sternguards running Chaos weaponry, that's useless in this scenario.

There are two ways to get a combi-melta in a Space Marine army. One is the single Sternguard model that has one, and the other is the Captain model that has one, which is, IIRC, out of production.

Both of these are metal models, and both weapons would be an enormous pain to convert for anything other than the models for which they're intended.

Can it be done? Yes.

Would I personally go to that much effort to give all of my Sternguards combi-meltas? Hell no. I'd cut apart some plastic Meltaguns and create some manner of plastic abomination before I did that.

I would accept blu-tac weaponry as long as it's actually shaped the way it's supposed to be shaped.

Globs? No. Actual blu-tac meltas on boltguns? Yes.

In fact, you could probably craft something out of blu-tac, brush on a layer of cement, and paint it, and it'd work just fine for the actual permanent model. But at this rate you may as well just do it with GS.

Jaon wrote:Im happy with the poll, but surprised with the responses.

I am, with no better way to word it, disgusted that a tournament would allow such blasphemy and heresy as to let you use blocks of wood as chimeras.

What he proposed to do today was stick cylindrical pieces of bluetac on top of his boltguns to make them sternguard with combi meltas.

I really cant deal with that type of thing. And he really is the only person that does it. The reality is if you do not have the models, you may not field it.


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Mattieau wrote:It is only in friendly games, but, to be fair, it does look like a HK missile. The combi-melta i can understand, but the HK missile looks relatively realistic.

You have no place in my topics, and insult me by being here!

I think the only appropriate thing to do is get a stick and a nail. Put the two together, then you'll know what to do...

SaintHazard wrote:

Jaon wrote:It is perfectly possible to get your hands on combi-weaponry from bits sellers actual kits, and ebay.

Actually, it's not. If you play Chaos, sure, but unless you want your Sternguards running Chaos weaponry, that's useless in this scenario.

There are two ways to get a combi-melta in a Space Marine army. One is the single Sternguard model that has one, and the other is the Captain model that has one, which is, IIRC, out of production.

Both of these are metal models, and both weapons would be an enormous pain to convert for anything other than the models for which they're intended.

Can it be done? Yes.

Would I personally go to that much effort to give all of my Sternguards combi-meltas? Hell no. I'd cut apart some plastic Meltaguns and create some manner of plastic abomination before I did that.

I would accept blu-tac weaponry as long as it's actually shaped the way it's supposed to be shaped.

Globs? No. Actual blu-tac meltas on boltguns? Yes.

In fact, you could probably craft something out of blu-tac, brush on a layer of cement, and paint it, and it'd work just fine for the actual permanent model. But at this rate you may as well just do it with GS.

+1 to SaintHazard. Joan you sound a little uptight. Why not just relax and enjoy a few games. As long as you can tell what you are facing it shouldn't be a problem in friendly games.

Lay off the corporate kool-aid. It's cool to play with things that are non-GW models, ESPECIALLY if it's a friendly game and he's playtesting. Firstly, if he has nothing else on his infantry he's representing with bluetac, why not allow it? I playtested power weapons once on my IG with a piece of clear tape over each chainsword (deadly shinyness). Secondly, rather than start an internet popularity contest over if it's "morally just" or whatever the goal is, why not try to work it out yourselves? Maybe he'd like to have some actual combi-meltas, but he lacks the parts/ability to custom build one himself. Perhaps, and this might be a little crazy, but perhaps you could work WITH him to help him make some of the stuff to add to his army? I do that all the time with the guys I play with. Bitz swapping is fun and you end up with some really awesome stuff.

On the other hand, if you can't agree with the above, then if your army isn't fully painted, shaded/highlighted, flocked (and done well), and you don't have a minimum of 10 pages of fluff, I have no interest in a game with you.

So long as they are clearly defined who cares? So long as mid game you're not asking, "Was that a melta or a heavy bolter?" you're fine. Hell, in CBT I've played entire games with paper cut outs and Monopoly pieces.