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Simple question. Maybe not so simple answer.

Do you get 1 vortex grenade for the whole formation, or 1 vortex grenade per terminator squad in the formation? We have an apoc game coming up this weekend and our opponent is taking at least 6 squads in their titanhammer formation (maybe even more!). 6+ vortex grenades for only 325pts is terribly broken IMO.


BTW, the apoc formation can be found here.

From what I know, your limited to only 1 Vortex granade per ARMY. Having 1 for every terminator squad would probably total overkill and far too powerful.

Looks like one per squad to me.

"One member of the Titanhammer Squad
is equipped with a Vortex Grenade. Nominate who is
carrying it at the beginning of the game."

You wouldn't need to nominate whos carrying if it was per squad least thats how i see it.

Dylwar wrote:From what I know, your limited to only 1 Vortex granade per ARMY. Having 1 for every terminator squad would probably total overkill and far too powerful.

All Strategic Assets are limited to one per army... But this doesn't apply to assets chosen through formation rules. These are additional to the normal asset allowance.


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Dylwar wrote:You wouldn't need to nominate whos carrying if it was per squad least thats how i see it.

How do you determine which model is using it if you don't nominate which model has it?

Well if the formation allows for each squad to have a vortex granade that would be far too powerful wouldn't you think so?

And as said earlier I doubt you'd need to nominate whos carrying it if its the whole formation.

I meant you nominate which model is using it.. But nominating that a whole formation has 1 is rather too much to me.

Here's the thing:

In the diagrams, it shows each squad as a "Titanhammer squad".

However, in the description under Formation, it lists them as "Terminator Assault Squads".

Dylwar wrote:Well if the formation allows for each squad to have a vortex granade that would be far too powerful wouldn't you think so?

For 300-odd points, plus the cost of the Terminators? No, not really.

Besides, they're meant to be Titan hunters. Equipping each squad with something a bit heavier than a hammer does seem to fit.

And as said earlier I doubt you'd need to nominate whos carrying it if its the whole formation.

That's not what you said earlier.

But either way, you do need to nominate who has the grenade, because it is thrown by the model that has it.

I meant you nominate which model is using it.. But nominating that a whole formation has 1 is rather too much to me.

Sorry, you lost me there.

jy2 wrote:In the diagrams, it shows each squad as a "Titanhammer squad".

However, in the description under Formation, it lists them as "Terminator Assault Squads".

...because there is no entry in the Marine Codex for Titanhammer Squads.

Each Titanhammer Squad is a Terminator Assault Squad selected from Codex Space Marines, with the additional rules listed in the datasheet.

Dylwar wrote:You wouldn't need to nominate whos carrying if it was per squad least thats how i see it.

Um yeah kinda did lol. Sorry if it was unclear but its 5 in the morning so yeah.

Anyway back to original topic.

I guess your right when it comes to the Titan hunting part that they should be equiped with something better then a hammer and shield. Though still its a tad unclear to determine fully if it is per squad or not.

Dylwar wrote: Though still its a tad unclear to determine fully if it is per squad or not.

I really don't think it is.

The Terminator Titanhammer Squads formation is made up of a Commander and a number of Titanhammer Squads.

The section that outlines the special rules for the formation says that one member of the Titanhammer Squad (not the Terminator Titanhammer Squads formation) is equipped with a Vortex Grenade.


So, it's one per squad, rather than one per formation.

Yeah guess your right. Can't argue with facts. Im with Insaniak on this 1.

fluff =/= rules but the fluff above says lysander used a single grenade. food for thought but obviously not RAW. the rules are definitely badly worded there. if they said "each titanhammer squad" it'd be clear; if they said "a single titanhammer squad" it'd be clear. instead, they went with muddy.

warboss wrote:fluff =/= rules but the fluff above says lysander used a single grenade.

...in the original confrontation that spawned the Titanhammer Squad as a battlefield unit. So doesn't really mean anything about how they were later fielded.

That's some strange writing. The vortex grenade entry is unclear either way. "One member of the titanhammer squad is equipped with" is completely ambiguous when there's always more than one of those squads.

If it's supposed to be a single grenade for the formation then it should read "one member of one titanhammer squad is equipped with" and if it's supposed to be one per squad then it should read "one member of each titanhammer squad is equipped with".


I'd say that it should be one grenade per formation but that's gut more than RAW.


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insaniak wrote:The section that outlines the special rules for the formation says that one member of the Titanhammer Squad (not the Terminator Titanhammer Squads formation) is equipped with a Vortex Grenade.

But what does "the" squad refer to when there are multiple squads?

Combining this Formation with the Asset that allows you to re-play a destroyed unit is nicely sick.. btw.

We do play that the Formation as a whole has access to ONE Vortex grenade.. and rarely give that grenade to the commander dude.

Scott-S6 wrote: But what does "the" squad refer to when there are multiple squads?

It refers to the squad.

That section is outlining a special rule for the Titanhammer squad. So that rule applies every time you have a Titanhammer squad.

So are all of the other rules in that box but they all correctly refer to titanhammer squads in the plural.