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http://www.mosnews.com/weird/2009/07/30/breedingmammoths/

This is officially the most awesome use of scientific knowledge ever. The Russians win Science.

Sounds cool if they do manage to do it we could have mammoths as pets what would be cooler(other than a monkey butler).

I'd like to know how they can control a large, angry mammoth, especially if they put them in herds...

can anyone say, STAMPEDE!

This is like a four year old story.

And the idea of resurrecting the mammoth has been around for ages.

@The Happy Reaper: .50 cal weaponry, I think. A Ma Deuce vs. Mammoth Stampede... Dreams do come true.

Following that, If they ever offer a "Mammoth Safari" I'm taking an M95 and going. Mammoth murgers in Siberia. Yumm.

They'd probably keep them caged up like veal to keep the meat from getting super tough.

The idea that cavemen hunted them because they tasted so good is probably wrong. It could have tasted like turd, but if it was big enough to provide them with food for an extended period of time, they'd probably still go for it.

On the other hand, I'd eat the hell out of one. Although, I want to try whale, penguin and giraffe before I die, so maybe I'm an odd case. I look forward to the day that I walk into the grocery store and see a poultry, pork, beef and mammoth meat section.. I'm gonna be like freaking Fred Flintstone --

whatwhat wrote:This is like a four year old story.

And the idea of resurrecting the mammoth has been around for ages.

Well actually this specific story is from a bit over a year ago. And yeah, the idea has been around forever. But has anyone else done anything serious about it? Besides, old news is only old news if you've heard it before. I just found out Peter Steele was dead last week, but he died back in April...

Oh sweet I can have a REAL war mommoth mount instead of one in WoW


Im telling ya, Jurassic Park is going to happen in the next 20ish years

I will totally pay to go to that park, repercussions be damned!

I was just happy to see that this wasn't from Pravda. Let's make a mammoth, people!

They don't win science until it's a T Rex

Only once I get my Tyrant Lizard named "Fluffy" will I be content.

Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we havent mastered tube growing). This would address the issue of controle since domestic livestock today was bred to be easier to controle and if these traits are passed to the hybrid then that would be the first step.

Sadly I don't think Jurrasic Park will ever happen :( at least not in the way it is shown in the books/movies or with the method being attempted with the Mammoth (and Smilodon incase you guys didn't know ). The reason being that even if they find dinosaur DNA (which has only been found in a few bones) it would take alot more then what is found to map the entire genetic structure of an entire dinosaur.

However I did read a report a few months ago about genetic enginering concerning dinosaurs. This involved geneticly altering currently living animals to be born with traits that would make them dinosaur like. There are two examples that they showed in the report 1 of a fly and 1 of a chicken. In every living thing there are genetic markers that determine the traits of that organism as it grows. These are the same markers that tell a human fetus to lose it's gills and grow lungs. There are also markers in every organism that are turned off but if they wern't turned off then that organism would be differant then standard (mutations and genetics 101).

The example of the fly was that if certain markers are turned off then the fly will be born naturally without wings or without 6 legs and the scientists and reproduce this result repeatidly and in multiple species showing the type of alterations that are possible. The example with the chicken is that during apart of the developmental process a chick (while still in the egg) will actually have teeth which are reptilian in appearance, scientists have manipulated the trait that gives chicks teeth so that the teeth will not go away so when the chicks are born they have teeth. They have also experimented with the same thing concerning the scales on a chicks legs but having the scales be spread throughout the entire body.

Now if these dormant traits are manipulated in an animal like an Emu then scientists could very well create a man made dinosaur through the process of reverse evolution sorry I like science

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid

Yes, for several generations, it would be a hybrid. Though I remember reading this story when they first set the project up. With time, they could assure that the mammoth genes become dominant. Eventually, a purebreed Mammoth would be possible, though it would probably take several hundred years of gene-manipulation and careful monitoring to successfully pull it off.

MasterDRD wrote:

whatwhat wrote:This is like a four year old story.

And the idea of resurrecting the mammoth has been around for ages.

Well actually this specific story is from a bit over a year ago. And yeah, the idea has been around forever. But has anyone else done anything serious about it? Besides, old news is only old news if you've heard it before. I just found out Peter Steele was dead last week, but he died back in April...

The Mammoth was all the rage about 5 years ago in Japan at the Nagoya World's fair, or East Asian Expo, or whatever the feth it was called. Buddy Scientist, Dr.What's-his-face, a Japanese guy, was out to clone the Mammoth. But his whole deal was to find a preserved male Mammoth, take seed from it's woolly orbs and impregnate an Indian Elephant. There were all kinds of specials on TV here with him farting around Siberia looking for remains, and of course finding nothing.

Personally, I'd like to see a Mammoth. Maybe they'll do Centaurs next.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

Khornholio wrote:There were all kinds of specials on TV here with him farting around Siberia looking for remains, and of course finding nothing.

The group in the OP's link found an almost perfectly preserved mamoth four years ago. Which was what i was referring to before.

whatwhat wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

Khornholio wrote:There were all kinds of specials on TV here with him farting around Siberia looking for remains, and of course finding nothing.

The group in the OP's link found an almost perfectly preserved mamoth four years ago. Which was what i was referring to before.

I wonder if the Japanese scientist is involved. If not, he's probably POed.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

In order for that to work there has to be genetic material from both a male and female contributor which means they would need enough genetic material from both a male and female Mammoth. Beings as they have only found a male mammoth that POTENTIALLY has enough material to fill half the equation they would need to implant that material into a female elephant. Unless they find another mammoth that's female and is as well preserved as the male the ensuing mammoth it will be a hybrid.

Stokleplinger wrote:They'd probably keep them caged up like veal to keep the meat from getting super tough.

The idea that cavemen hunted them because they tasted so good is probably wrong. It could have tasted like turd, but if it was big enough to provide them with food for an extended period of time, they'd probably still go for it.

On the other hand, I'd eat the hell out of one. Although, I want to try whale, penguin and giraffe before I die, so maybe I'm an odd case. I look forward to the day that I walk into the grocery store and see a poultry, pork, beef and mammoth meat section.. I'm gonna be like freaking Fred Flintstone --

Technically, Fred and family are ordering at Bronto Burger in this picture, a completely different class and period than the mammoth.

But I like your Idea. I like buffalo and alligator steaks whenever I can get them. Forget squid.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

In order for that to work there has to be genetic material from both a male and female contributor which means they would need enough genetic material from both a male and female Mammoth. Beings as they have only found a male mammoth that POTENTIALLY has enough material to fill half the equation they would need to implant that material into a female elephant. Unless they find another mammoth that's female and is as well preserved as the male the ensuing mammoth it will be a hybrid.

Again, no. It would be the same process used in cloning. Where the nucleus is removed from the egg cell.

In fact, creating an Elephant Mammoth hybrid would actually be even more difficult, if possible, considering how far removed they are. Chances are an elephant cell would reject the hairy mammoth cell and tell it to go get a back wax.

Are they maybe going to splice the Mammoth with a Pot Bellied Pig and make tiny, Pot Bellied Mammoths?

(Said in Chef voice) Don't be silly M R. Everyone knows pig and elephant/elephant predecessor DNA just won't splice! In fact, I think Loverboy did a song about that...

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Elton John!

You're doing it rong.

Youtube clips have to be from Youtube.

Edit: Damn. Ye fixed it!

Sounds amazingly cool. Now we just need sabretooth tigers :3 Furries everywhere would rejoice

metallifan wrote:You're doing it rong.

Youtube clips have to be from Youtube.

Edit: Damn. Ye fixed it!

You're fast, man!

Monster Rain wrote:

metallifan wrote:You're doing it rong.

Youtube clips have to be from Youtube.

Edit: Damn. Ye fixed it!

You're fast, man!

That's what she s... Awww, DAMNIT!

Accidental Self-Burn!

whatwhat wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

In order for that to work there has to be genetic material from both a male and female contributor which means they would need enough genetic material from both a male and female Mammoth. Beings as they have only found a male mammoth that POTENTIALLY has enough material to fill half the equation they would need to implant that material into a female elephant. Unless they find another mammoth that's female and is as well preserved as the male the ensuing mammoth it will be a hybrid.

Again, no. It would be the same process used in cloning. Where the nucleus is removed from the egg cell.

In fact, creating an Elephant Mammoth hybrid would actually be even more difficult, if possible, considering how far removed they are. Chances are an elephant cell would reject the hairy mammoth cell and tell it to go get a back wax.

See that would be right if NORMAL reproductive cloning was being used but that process currently requires the genetic material inserted into the blank egg and the genetic material of the carrier to be from the same species. If it is not from the same species the carriers immune system will kill the cells as they would see it as an alien body meaning the fetus would never develop and the process would never work.

So since this is not standard reproductive cloning the standard procedure of removing the DNA from the egg and replacing it with that of the Mammoth won't work since the Asian Elephant (the closest living relative to the Mammoth) and the Mammoth are not the same species. So their alternative that they are researching is to combine the DNA so that the Elephants body will accept it and eventually breed a pure Mammoth.

And point in fact creating a Hybrid woulden't be harder as with a hybrid they would have more genetic code to work with that hasen't been corrupted by time and would be easier to combine since the Asian Elephant and the Mammoth are the closest related. This is also the same technique they are planning to use in re-creating the Tasmanian Tiger by combining it with it's closest relative the Tasmanian Devil.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

whatwhat wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Technicly it would be a Mammoth/Elephant hybrid as they would need to implant the genetic material into a viable egg so it could grow (to my knowledge we haven't mastered tube growing).

No. It would be just like a surrogate carrier with humans, you implant an ovum where all the sperm shenanigans and what not are done in a test tube. The elephant would simply carry the mammoth until birth, with no genetic connection.

In order for that to work there has to be genetic material from both a male and female contributor which means they would need enough genetic material from both a male and female Mammoth. Beings as they have only found a male mammoth that POTENTIALLY has enough material to fill half the equation they would need to implant that material into a female elephant. Unless they find another mammoth that's female and is as well preserved as the male the ensuing mammoth it will be a hybrid.

Again, no. It would be the same process used in cloning. Where the nucleus is removed from the egg cell.

In fact, creating an Elephant Mammoth hybrid would actually be even more difficult, if possible, considering how far removed they are. Chances are an elephant cell would reject the hairy mammoth cell and tell it to go get a back wax.

See that would be right if NORMAL reproductive cloning was being used but that process currently requires the genetic material inserted into the blank egg and the genetic material of the carrier to be from the same species. If it is not from the same species the carriers immune system will kill the cells as they would see it as an alien body meaning the fetus would never develop and the process would never work.

Where are you getting this form. It has been done before with the Pyrenean Ibex and goats. They would have been a bit hard pressed to do that by your logic, since the Pyranean Ibex is extinct.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:And point in fact creating a Hybrid woulden't be harder as with a hybrid they would have more genetic code to work with that hasen't been corrupted by time and would be easier to combine since the Asian Elephant and the Mammoth are the closest related. This is also the same technique they are planning to use in re-creating the Tasmanian Tiger by combining it with it's closest relative the Tasmanian Devil.

The mammoth and elephant are a lot farther removed than you might think.

Consider how chimpanzees and humans aren't compatible yet they are our closest relatives. And how the hybrid of a horse and a donkey, a mule, can't even breed. Would that be a good trait for a mammoth you want to rear as cattle? I think not.

I'm getting this from 1 the numerous research journals I have read about the subject since it was announced years ago, 2 my own research into cloning due to my interest in Paleobiology.

Now you bring up the Pyrenea Ibex named Celia who lived for about 7 minutes before she died from breathing problems and was carried by a goat before she was born as a reason for what I'm saying to be wrong. An Ibex (of which the Pyrenea is a subspecies of) and a goat are close enough in their genetic relation that they can interbreed in the same way that wild boars and domestic pigs can, again seperate species yet close enough that they can interbreed normally without the carriers immune system seeing the DNA as a threat.

And as far as the project with Celia they took perfect DNA samples from her and are planning to clone her again twice, they are also planning on combining her DNA with the DNA of a male goat so that they can create a hybrid in the exact way I've described and use the breeding pair to eventually breed more pure Ibex which is exactly what they would have to do to make a breeding pair of Mammoth even if they could do the process as you described.

Now the same situation dosen't apply with the Mammoth and elephant as they aren't close enough in their genetics for a mammoths DNA to be implanted into a blank elephant egg without the elephants immune system killing it. But they are close enough that the Mammoths DNA and the Elephants can be combined so that the immune system won't target it as a threat. It is the same concept of a organ that has been transplanted and the recipients body rejects the implant because their immune system starts to attack it.

Cjimpanzees are man kinds closest living relative but they aren't compatible because we are so seperated which is alot more then a mammoth and an elephant is. And as far as Mules go that is only one example of a hybrid and considering not all hybrids are sterile can't be applied to every hybrid created. Also the the idea of bringing a Mammoth back to life just to turn it into a live stock feed animal is ridiculous. An animal that walks the earth for the first time in thousands of years would have more significant uses to the world then as food.