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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/13 22:52:52
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49635
gizmo5 wrote:This will be a brief rant about what happened in gizmo's life today:
So, I went to a gun show today with a friend of mine. We were in the mood for some deals, and in general just wanted to go play with some guns. When we get there we immediately notice an individual in ACU's. Since this is on Aug 7th, a Saturday, this came to us as being odd. So, my friend and I both being active duty NCO's start to eye ball this guy and notice his badges and awards. Before I list his extensive record let me describe this individual first. 30-40 yr old white male, approx 300 lbs, Blonde high and tight hair cut and a goofy overall appearance. He was wearing glasses on the back of his head, a belt on the outside of his ACU top full of gadgets and a radio with a hand mic wrapped around him self and clipped on his uniform.
I wanted a closer look at this guy so I told my buddy I would be right back and conducted some good ole fashion recon. He was at the polaris dealer talking to the sales rep about buying 4 quads "for his guys." I jumped in the conversation
Me: Jokingly "4! Can I have one!"
He chuckled and I asked him what unit he was in.
Him:"10th Special Forces."
Me: "Really? What are you guys doing up here?"
Him: "Oh Im just helping out some friends of mine"
I took note of all his uniform bits and pieces and walked away. He went about his business and I later confronted him again and asked him if I could talk to him outside. He and I walked out to the back of the gun show and I began to ask him a series of questions that only an individual with his experience would know. He failed miserably and I then decided to level with him. I produced my ID and asked for his. He told me it was in his car so I said lets go get it. Of course he did not have one and I began to lay into him. I yelled at him for a good 30 minutes and made him remove all the items he had never earned on his uniform. I called him plenty of names and said that he was wearing a uniform that my friends have died in, and that he didn't even deserve to touch one.
This guy began to apologize and back pedal, and asked me not to "tell on him." I began to tear into him and lower his self esteem even more hoping that he attempts suicide tonight.
All in all this is everything he lied about and what he was wearing:
Special Forces Qualification
Ranger Qualification
Airborne Qualification
Combat Infantryman Badge with 2 stars
Senior Parachutist Badge
Air Assault Badge
Military Police Badge
US ARMY Tape
and last but not least, Captain Rank.
Later people came up to me and told me what he had told others about himself:
He has served 20 yrs in the Army
He just came back from a 49 month deployment from Afganaland
He goes back and forth all of the time on "Special Missions"
His numbers (NOW DISCONNECTED) referring to himself as an SF officer:
William Clark AKA "Capt Clark" 760-974-6579
This number is a FT Bragg number, so he has wandered around SF land before to buy the phone
William Clark AKA "Maj Green" 910-705-2260
Here are some iphone pics I took:
Pics are back up, Yay for Flickr!
Everything I made him take off of his uniform
These are the pics that went down due to my photobucket bandwidth being exceeded
Everything I made him take off of his uniform
EDITED TO CONSOLIDATE ALL INFO ON WILLIAM JAMES CLARK:
http://newsok.com/topic/PERSON/William%20Clark
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/350361_imposter07.html
http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/view ... used-again
http://www.jerrypippin.com/I40Bridge.htm
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSe ... &x=73&y=14
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=20049
http://newsok.com/man-accused-of-impers ... le/1025795
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/for ... p?p=342822
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/727674/posts
http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/trib ... again.html
http://www.militarycorruption.com/captainbogus.htm
http://www.mugshots.com/Criminal/Impost ... +Clark.htm
I was angry, he was scared, and I got a good deal on some ammo at the show...
So, How did your day go?
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See link for pics and further discussion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 00:07:23
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I knew of a guy like that who used to be on the gaming forums claiming to be a Navy SEAL in Vietnam. His gaming website had claims of him being a Navy Seal in his bio, also.
Larry Baily, a SEAL who specializes in exposing fake seals was told about this guy and ended up putting his name on the "Wall of Shame". The SEAL claims dropped from the guy's website.
Below is a link to Larry Bailey's website:
http://www.navyfrogmen.com/SOF2.html
Below is where the Wall of Shame used to be. Now they show you where you can go to verify someone's claims.
http://www.cyberseals.org/authentiseal/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 00:52:12
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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That really pisses me off. My dad was Special Forces. Got shot through the neck in the Congo. You don't wear that uniform unless you've earned it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 01:10:18
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Here's another link that lists names of impersonators.
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies19.htm
I like the story of the impersonator that was confronted by some real rangers and jumped out of a second story window into a barbque pit in an attempt to escape.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 01:50:58
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Good to see these asshats get a severe tounge lashing. The Stolen Valor act is a good bill to deter impersonating decoration winners.
I own several examples of WWII era American medals, but I dont parade around saying I earned them.
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Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 02:05:00
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 02:21:42
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
Oh boy ,this oughta be good...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 02:25:38
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Hauptmann
Diligently behind a rifle...
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Bunker wrote:Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
Oh boy ,this oughta be good...
Indeed, I would like to see this guy defend comments like these.
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Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 03:26:34
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Nimble Dark Rider
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
Dude, seriously, go feth yourself.
My dad got shot evacuating Belgians from the Congo, and act that was necessitated by the fact that the Congolese were chopping off people's heads and fething eating them. Where the feth do you get off calling my dad a paid killer?
You can hate the politicians who put the brave men and women who serve this country in harm's way for less than noble purposes, but don't hate on the soldiers themselves. That's messed up. The vast majority of people who serve do so for the best of intentions, and if you bothered to get to know anyone in the military you'd know exactly bhow big of an ass you're being.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 03:35:47
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
Your post and what you are implying disgusts me. You have no idea what you are talking about. The vast amount of ignorance that you have managed to cram into so few words is absolutely stunning. Congratulations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 03:37:58
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Gailbraithe wrote:Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
Dude, seriously, go feth yourself.
My dad got shot evacuating Belgians from the Congo, and act that was necessitated by the fact that the Congolese were chopping off people's heads and fething eating them. Where the feth do you get off calling my dad a paid killer?
You can hate the politicians who put the brave men and women who serve this country in harm's way for less than noble purposes, but don't hate on the soldiers themselves. That's messed up. The vast majority of people who serve do so for the best of intentions, and if you bothered to get to know anyone in the military you'd know exactly bhow big of an ass you're being.
Gailbraithe, Guys like Mr Mystery are just little pissant cowards hiding behind a keyboard without the balls to say that kind of crap face to face with someone unless he has at least 5-6 other guys with him. Get someone like him by himself and he's pissing his pants scared begging for mercy.
It's because of wimps like him Kipling wrote this poem:
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
By the way, good job on your dad helping those people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 17:18:07
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
In the words of Voltaire, I do not agree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 17:23:03
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Why yes, I do have a low view of those in the Military in the modern era. Largely populated by no-hopers in my personal experience.
Now, had he claimed to have been part of the D-Day Landings, or flown sorties over Dresden, or something great import (HEY! U-571, didn't see you Yanks getting pissed over that...you know, claiming some action was your own when actually it was British servicemen who gave their lives. But of course, that's clearly un-important) then I could understand...but come on.
"paid murderers" eh ? err... no.
Whilst you are entitled to think whatever you like ill thought out and needlessly offensive posts like this are not suitable for this site. If you wish to continue to post on these boards then I suggest you find less inflammatory ways to express yourself.
It's best perhaps people just gloss over this post, we'll treat it as a momentary abberation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 19:24:40
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Thats sad really. Hope the guy gets everything coming to him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 20:45:38
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
York/London(for weekends) oh for the glory of the british rail industry
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Although i do love the cut and design of WWII RAF coats and would wear one if i could find on in my size (70 years ago people hard really wide shoulders and short arms), the idea of wearing medals and symbols of rank and experience is just wrong and presenting yourself as an actual soldier is worse. Although i have never been in the military i would have shouted at him.
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Relictors: 1500pts
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I'm cancelling you out of shame like my subscription to White Dwarf. - Mark Corrigan: Peep Show
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 21:07:05
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Although I'm mostly a pacifist, I have to say it disgusts me as well when someone who has never been in the millitary claims honours and rank. If you just want to wear camo, sure, fine if thats what you think is stylish, just don't stick a pin on you and claim your from the SAS/Seals/Paras/Rangers/whatever other speical forces there are in the world.
On the other hand, if you have the cash to buy a tank and run it, I'm happy for you to drive it around, as long as it has no kill markings or some such.(I heard that it is legal to drive a tank, you need the same type of licence for tractors and large trucks, or so I hear)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/14 23:37:44
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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So we should laud those paid to kill should we?
Well, that's pretty wrong in my book. And yes, I would say that to a military mans face. My Great Uncle flew sorties over Dresden (you know, when we flattened it) and his journals make interesting reading.
Now, in a peace-keeping role, I have every respect for soldiers, but someone pretending to be one? I don't get the insult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 00:49:46
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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I don´t want to join the "paid murderers" discussion because it´s a discussion that could go on forever and losing loved ones is always tragic, no matter wich opinion you have on the political circumstances it happened in.
But besides that, I don´t really understand the hatred towards the "costumed" man. One could say he played a bit war veteran. While I see that people related to the units in question think he hasn´t "earned the honour to wear the uniform", I ask: Does that really matter? I don´t have any military contacts, but I think a guy showing off and saying he was a veteran is quite funny. I don´t think this is a serious problem. And IMHO it isn´t an affront to the unit, too, because nobody has any harm by it. You could even say it shows that he thinks that unit is awesome enough to be a member or act like one of them.
In germany, there is a piece of literature called "der hauptmann von koepenick"/" the major of Koepenick" , in which a very sympathic small burglar dresses up as a major because of the massive ( and sometimes comic) respect the population of the german empire had for uniforms.
I think the last sentences of the original author of the above article, about suicide, are some of the most tasteless comments I´ve ever read.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 01:08:04
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Mr Mystery wrote:Erm....and?
If you want to pretend your a trained killer, then go ahead. Doesn't belittle those who chose to be paid murderers?
Mr Mystery wrote:I have every respect for soldiers
Umm, you contradicting yourself there son. Calling a soldier a "paid murderer" and then saying you have respect for them is just...wow. It's like calling your pharmacist a drug dealer.
Talk about the military any way you want, its your freedom. Just keep in mind that those people are willing to die to defend just that. YOUR freedom, that I honestly doubt you've done anything in your life to deserve, other then be born an a british soil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 01:35:37
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Screaming Banshee
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Clearly a pathetic individual, but is making him want to kill himself really a mature approach to take? Perhaps if we didn't spend all of our time worshipping the military he wouldn't feel compelled to be a fraudster... clearly it earned him respect Automatically Appended Next Post: @LordBane
Yes, the military defends our freedom... not MI6 and MI5... I mean, conventional defense is warranted on the British Isles what with all those amphibious assaults the Taliban keep attempting.
I know I'm chipping in on a discussion you're already having but, frankly, the UK could do away with a lot more of its armed forces and just continue to rely on the aforementioned special services to keep us safe...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 02:30:26
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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bigfood wrote:
But besides that, I don´t really understand the hatred towards the "costumed" man. One could say he played a bit war veteran. While I see that people related to the units in question think he hasn´t "earned the honour to wear the uniform", I ask: Does that really matter? I don´t have any military contacts, but I think a guy showing off and saying he was a veteran is quite funny. I don´t think this is a serious problem. And IMHO it isn´t an affront to the unit, too, because nobody has any harm by it. You could even say it shows that he thinks that unit is awesome enough to be a member or act like one of them.
There are a couple problems with what this man did. First and foremost it is against federal law in the United States to impersonate a member of the military, for obvious reasons.
Secondly, he's cheapening the sacrifice and courage of those who wear and have worn those badges before he decided to put them on, and all those who are around the world wearing them right now. Let's compare it achieving something great, like graduating from Harvard or Oxford. You'd be really proud of that wouldn't you? Now some jackoff pulls out his 'degree' from wherever it is you went that he didn't earn and starts talking about how great it is. Don't you feel that would cheapen everything you worked for? Now imagine you had to attain this degree by working 20+ hour days, eating two meals or less per day, jumping out of airplanes, fast-roping out of helicopters, rappelling down mountains and conducting combat operations in swamps. After completing it you'd also have to travel to the other side of the world to fight people you've never met before and watch your friends die in a war that no-one seems to care about anymore. So America wants to know about how Lindsay Lohan was crying in court, but can't be bothered to report on your friends who died in the country's service?
Go through all that and tell me you wouldn't be upset someone was wearing pins and tabs they didn't earn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 02:51:32
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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IAmTheWalrus wrote:bigfood wrote:
But besides that, I don´t really understand the hatred towards the "costumed" man. One could say he played a bit war veteran. While I see that people related to the units in question think he hasn´t "earned the honour to wear the uniform", I ask: Does that really matter? I don´t have any military contacts, but I think a guy showing off and saying he was a veteran is quite funny. I don´t think this is a serious problem. And IMHO it isn´t an affront to the unit, too, because nobody has any harm by it. You could even say it shows that he thinks that unit is awesome enough to be a member or act like one of them.
There are a couple problems with what this man did. First and foremost it is against federal law in the United States to impersonate a member of the military, for obvious reasons.
Secondly, he's cheapening the sacrifice and courage of those who wear and have worn those badges before he decided to put them on, and all those who are around the world wearing them right now. Let's compare it achieving something great, like graduating from Harvard or Oxford. You'd be really proud of that wouldn't you? Now some jackoff pulls out his 'degree' from wherever it is you went that he didn't earn and starts talking about how great it is. Don't you feel that would cheapen everything you worked for? Now imagine you had to attain this degree by working 20+ hour days, eating two meals or less per day, jumping out of airplanes, fast-roping out of helicopters, rappelling down mountains and conducting combat operations in swamps. After completing it you'd also have to travel to the other side of the world to fight people you've never met before and watch your friends die in a war that no-one seems to care about anymore. So America wants to know about how Lindsay Lohan was crying in court, but can't be bothered to report on your friends who died in the country's service?
Go through all that and tell me you wouldn't be upset someone was wearing pins and tabs they didn't earn.
To be honest, it would not matter to me. You said he was cheapening the sacrifice of those who have worn these badges legally. But how does he do this? Just by wearing them and thus associating himself with the unit, he doesn´t destroy anybody´s hardly earned image. If I had a harvard degree and somebody else would pretend he had one aswell, this wouldn´t have any negative effects for me. I think one has to be indulgend, for it´s a common wish to be something like a hero.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 03:29:16
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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@bigfood but the guy was a fatass who didn't know what he was talking about
Thus making the unit look stupid...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 04:03:36
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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Mr Mystery wrote:So we should laud those paid to kill should we?
Well, that's pretty wrong in my book. And yes, I would say that to a military mans face. My Great Uncle flew sorties over Dresden (you know, when we flattened it) and his journals make interesting reading.
Now, in a peace-keeping role, I have every respect for soldiers, but someone pretending to be one? I don't get the insult.
I'm pretty convinced that you're nothing more than a socially slowed twelve year old out trolling. I'll tell you straight up, punk, there's no way you have the courage to say anything like that in a one on one situation to someone who just got back from deployment. You just hide behind your keyboard and pretend you're brave by talking crap about people that have more going on in one hour than you'll have in your entire life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 04:05:16
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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@Relapse
I'm sure he would hide, I'd bally-well hide from a trained killer who would be offended by my views
Doesn't make them any less valid...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 04:10:35
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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bigfood wrote:
But besides that, I don´t really understand the hatred towards the "costumed" man. One could say he played a bit war veteran. While I see that people related to the units in question think he hasn´t "earned the honour to wear the uniform", I ask: Does that really matter? I don´t have any military contacts, but I think a guy showing off and saying he was a veteran is quite funny. I don´t think this is a serious problem. And IMHO it isn´t an affront to the unit, too, because nobody has any harm by it. You could even say it shows that he thinks that unit is awesome enough to be a member or act like one of them.
In germany, there is a piece of literature called "der hauptmann von koepenick"/" the major of Koepenick" , in which a very sympathic small burglar dresses up as a major because of the massive ( and sometimes comic) respect the population of the german empire had for uniforms.
I think the last sentences of the original author of the above article, about suicide, are some of the most tasteless comments I´ve ever read.
This piece of gak is standing on the bodies of men who put it on the line for their country claiming the honor that they earned. Check out the links I provided earlier in the post, and it will show you why it's a big deal to people that have actually been out in the thick of things. To have the family members of someone that was killed in action see that fat ass doing the next thing to walking on the grave of their loved one is pretty bad stuff.
A lot of these pieces of gak use their posturing to get money, goods and services that should rightfully go to a vet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 12:39:02
Subject: D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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[quote=Henners91
Thus making the unit look stupid...
In front of who? The quad seller? He will of course later walk around and tell everybody: Hey, there was a guy from the 10th special forces doing this and that..... And then people will start talking trash about them? I don´t think so.... Automatically Appended Next Post: Relapse wrote:
A lot of these pieces of gak use their posturing to get money, goods and services that should rightfully go to a vet.
Really? How should that work? Don´t they have to identifie themselves when they want to profit from a public service?
And I still don´t understand why he´s "standing on their graves". What they did doesn´t get critisized or diminuished in the least. You still go to the doctor´s, even if there are maybe a few dozen doctors around the world with a faked degree.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 12:51:08
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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bigfood wrote:
To be honest, it would not matter to me. You said he was cheapening the sacrifice of those who have worn these badges legally. But how does he do this? Just by wearing them and thus associating himself with the unit, he doesn´t destroy anybody´s hardly earned image. If I had a harvard degree and somebody else would pretend he had one aswell, this wouldn´t have any negative effects for me. I think one has to be indulgend, for it´s a common wish to be something like a hero.
What happens when the person pretending to have a Harvard degree gets a 6 figure salary job and your stuck flipping burgers despite spending a good portion of your youth in an expensive university?
Would you impersonate a police officer? A fireman? A doctor or paramedic? Would you have a problem if you went up to an officer of the law and asked for help stopping an assault on your friend/bestfriend/girlfriend only for him to say 'Sorry, I'm not a real policeman, I just like the respect'? The same can be applied to the army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 13:21:14
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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wizard12 wrote:
What happens when the person pretending to have a Harvard degree gets a 6 figure salary job and your stuck flipping burgers despite spending a good portion of your youth in an expensive university?
Would you impersonate a police officer? A fireman? A doctor or paramedic? Would you have a problem if you went up to an officer of the law and asked for help stopping an assault on your friend/bestfriend/girlfriend only for him to say 'Sorry, I'm not a real policeman, I just like the respect'? The same can be applied to the army.
How does he get the better job? This is the same question I asked a post above, concerning money and wealth. Doesn´ t he have to identify?
And a policeman is the wrong example, because you actually have to interact with him in public. You don´t run to a soldier saying "please save my country"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/15 13:49:37
Subject: Re:D-Bag Caught impersonating Military officer... again.
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wizard12 wrote:bigfood wrote:
To be honest, it would not matter to me. You said he was cheapening the sacrifice of those who have worn these badges legally. But how does he do this? Just by wearing them and thus associating himself with the unit, he doesn´t destroy anybody´s hardly earned image. If I had a harvard degree and somebody else would pretend he had one aswell, this wouldn´t have any negative effects for me. I think one has to be indulgend, for it´s a common wish to be something like a hero.
What happens when the person pretending to have a Harvard degree gets a 6 figure salary job and your stuck flipping burgers despite spending a good portion of your youth in an expensive university?
Would you impersonate a police officer? A fireman? A doctor or paramedic? Would you have a problem if you went up to an officer of the law and asked for help stopping an assault on your friend/bestfriend/girlfriend only for him to say 'Sorry, I'm not a real policeman, I just like the respect'? The same can be applied to the army.
I don't the people posting against the OP have a problem with it being illegal to be impersonating a soldier, just the overkill in dealing with it. Perhaps I should stop playing Call of Duty / Airsoft / historical wargames, because in fairness (and I have seriously reflected on this) they take war and turn it in to hamless fun. How many times have you roared out loud with some hollywood style comment when you get a good kill in Call of Duty or a bloody good dice roll in a game. We are people who on a regular basis "prentend" to be something / someone else. In my eyes it's no different, in fact I see it sometimes as worse, than the guy who was in the uniform.
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