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The codex says:

'Replace Dreadnought close combat weapon with:
- twin- linked autocannon or missile launcher'

Does this mean that both of the above are twin- linked or just the autocannon? Looking at the dread's missile launcher, it has 6 missiles in it, so it wouldn't really make a lot of sense that it could only fire at the same rate as a beakie with a single missile launcher (fluff wise, twin- linked is supposed to represent the model fire a large amount of shots at the target). Of cause, i could only be able to fire these one at a time.

So dakka, what do you think/know?

No the missle launcher is not twin linked. Twin-Linked Autocannon is on option, and the missle Launcher is another, but they are both at the same point value.

You know what annoys me! a DN missile should be a cyclone missile launcher! As if it isnt its quite silly really, If termies can fire 2 rockets from their pod, why cant DNs?

No, the Missile Launcher is not Twin Linked.

The only way for the fiorst interpretaion to makes sense is if it was written

'Replace Dreadnought close combat weapon with:
- twin- linked autocannon or a twinlinked missile launcher'
Or
'Replace Dreadnought close combat weapon with:
- twin- linked weapon, this may either be an autocannon or missile launcher'
Even
'Replace Dreadnought close combat weapon with:
- a twin- linked, autocannon or missile launcher'
could work

Anything else is showing a lack of English literacy or trying to make dollars from sense.

#3 is also showing a bit of a lack of English literacy.

The most common answer I see is that the missile launcher is not twin-linked. However, this is confusing, because the codex (stupidly) places two weapons, one twin-linked and one (theoretically) not, in the same point value slot, whereas immediately above that it has "twin-linked autocannon" and "plasma cannon or assault cannon," which are both 10 point upgrades, seperated - theoretically to make the distinction between the twin-linked weapon and the two that are not!

However, because of this tricky wording, and the counterexample literally three lines above it, it could be argued that the missile launcher is, by reason of inclusion, twin-linked.

And since I really really really want my stupid Dreadnought's stupid missile launcher to be twin-linked, I'm going to argue that it's perfectly reasonable to say that it is.

SaintHazard wrote:And since I really really really want my stupid Dreadnought's stupid missile launcher to be twin-linked, I'm going to argue that it's perfectly reasonable to say that it is.

I'll let you have Twin Linked Missile Launcher, if all my Space Wolves have 10's for all stats, a 2+ save rolled on 2D6 and can move 60" a turn.

No, I'm not making anything up here.

Simply interpreting the wording literally.

Even though the words "twin-linked" are not directly in front of the word, you don't say, "Red apples and red cherries" to indicate both are red. You can, but you don't have to. "Red apples and cherries" can mean either "red apples and cherries of another color" or "red apples and red cherries."

"Twin-linked autocannon or missile launcher" could mean "twin-linked autocannon or missile launcher of another variety" just as easily as it can mean "twin-linked autocannon or twin-linked missile launcher."

And because we have a very concrete example directly above that line that seperates twin-linked and non-twin-linked weapons in the same point value, we can infer that these are not grouped together simple because they are of like point value.

Thus, we can infer that since they are grouped together, worded in such a way that they can both be twin-linked, and are not necessarily grouped together to indicate they share a point value, we can infer that they are grouped together to indicate that they share another trait. They can only be interpreted to share two traits: twin-linkage and point value. Since they are, by reason of exclusion due to the above example, NOT grouped merely to indicate a similar point value, we can infer that they are grouped to indicate that they are both twin-linked.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally play it that way, because I'd get all manner of hellfire and fury if I did, but it can be logically inferred that the missile launcher is twin-linked.

Gwar, I believe that you will find that the english language serves you much better if you learn to read puctuation.

For example, take the sentence, "You may have a green apple or pear for one pound." This means that for the payment of one pound, you may have a green apple or a green pear.

SaintHazard, I agree with you on the suject of semantics and on the proper employment of the English language. However, forcing twin-linkedness on someone during a game would be douchebaggery of the highest order.

cosmic pixie wrote:For example, take the sentence, "You may have a green apple or pear for one pound." This means that for the payment of one pound, you may have a green apple or a green pear.

No, it doesn't. It means I can have a "green apple for one pound" or a "pear for one pound". If you tried to prevent me buying a red pear for one pound, I would sue the pants off you for false advertising!

cosmic pixie wrote:However, forcing twin-linkedness on someone during a game would be douchebaggery of the highest order.

Well yeah, that's why I said I don't play it that way, and I would certainly never spring it on a player mid-game.

I may, with some of my savvier opponents, discuss the possibility that the missile launcher is twin-linked pre-game, but I'd never force the idea of a twin-linked missile launcher on a dreadnought. If they prefer it not twin-linked, I'm alright with that. Especially since my Dreadnoughts are typically Venerable, therefore miss very infrequently anyway.

Sadly ,you wouldn't because we live in England

But seriously, the punctuation is not needed in cases such as these.

The correct term is, IIRC, "Implied or Unneccesary Punctuation".

While i agree it should be more like the cyclone launcher, it is not, and never has been.
simply a single shot.

To the question: "It has all of those missiles"
Of course it does, 1 wouldnt last long would it?
also needs to have frag and krak stored there.

Answered, and going off track. Time to move on.