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Well, obviously that title is misleading, but I think this:

They can have autocannons, koolioes, they can take on light tanks and medium [SM] infantry.
They can have missile launcher and assault cannon, so they can take on heavy infantry and large platoons.
They can take lascannons and missile launchers, and take on tanks, okay.

so:

Give them a second TL lascannon.

So, for 45 [due to it's extraism.] +35 + 105 points, I can have 2 TL lascannons.

So, twice the chance at killing a tank.

Whats the thought?

I'm thinking it's a bit overpowered, but for between 185 and 245 points, you get a killer anti-tank unit, and if it's venerable; it's effectively BS10.

Lascannons are not that effective at tank hunting. Sure you hit but you only glance AV14 on a 5+. Also, you do not get +1 on the damage chart from AP1.

2 Shots

BS4 Twinlinked = 88% chance of a hit.

1.76 hits

1/3 Chance of a glance

.587 glancing hits

1/6 chance of penetrating hit

.293 penetrating hits

To wreck it you need a to roll a 5 or 6 (1/3 chance)

.097 destroyed results

So you need about 10 rounds to assure a destroyed result.

It's called a Mortis Dread and the DA thought of this already. But they are the secretive bunch that doesn't want others to take away their unique dread...I mean them pozerz already took away the 2 TL-AC kit...

I know... but what the feth, We can't give them two Demolisher cannons.

Just to give an idea of how good a TLLC is against AV14 - You have about the same chance of destroying something as you do with an autocannon that costs 1/3 of the points.

So if you are proposing rules allow 2 assault cannons. They are just as powerful as twinlinked lascannons are:

4 Shots
BS4
2.667 hits
.44 rending results (6's)
.148 penetrating hits
.049 destroyed results

This is definitely not overpowered.

Lascannons are better than Assault Cannons at ranges greater than 24", better than Autocannons at AV13+, and better than both at Sv3-.

Personally I think Dreadnought should be able to take Cyclone Missile Launchers, but that's best left for another thread.

I say go full mortis with dreads.
they have started with 2 TL auto's, so why not carry on?

Twin weapon options are nice, however the 2nd weapon shouldnt be as expensive.

BA dreads pay 10 for the 1st TL auto-cannon, then 5 for the next one.



I would love nothing more than a dread with 2 plasma cannons or 2 assault cannons.



Nurglitch: i agree on your last point 100%

Captain Solon wrote:Well, obviously that title is misleading, but I think this:

They can have autocannons, koolioes, they can take on light tanks and medium [SM] infantry.
They can have missile launcher and assault cannon, so they can take on heavy infantry and large platoons.
They can take lascannons and missile launchers, and take on tanks, okay.

so:

Give them a second TL lascannon.

So, for 45 [due to it's extraism.] +35 + 105 points, I can have 2 TL lascannons.

So, twice the chance at killing a tank.

Whats the thought?

I'm thinking it's a bit overpowered, but for between 185 and 245 points, you get a killer anti-tank unit, and if it's venerable; it's effectively BS10.

It'd have to be higher costed to justify two sets of TL, relentless, lascannons. It would make Predators look a lot less nice, and at the end of the day, it'd still be a weakly armored walker with expensive crap on it.

You could play it, but it's something that probably just isn't worth it.

If you want to hunt tanks with a Dreadnought, take a Venerable Dreadnought, arm it with a Multi-Melta, Extra Armour, and a Heavy Flamethrower. Hitting on a 2+ with a Multi-Melta is fun.

Extra Armour means that even if they Shake the Dreadnought, you can still run up and play patty-cake.

Theres an even better answer for dread-tank crushing now.

Get an ironclad. =D

Nope. An Ironclad has to close to ranges where it's going to be vulnerable to Melta Guns. Its AV13 isn't going to provide any extra protection against incoming Melta shots, while being extremely vulnerable to lucky shots.

rogueeyes wrote:Lascannons are not that effective at tank hunting. Sure you hit but you only glance AV14 on a 5+. Also, you do not get +1 on the damage chart from AP1.

So? You penetrate AV14 on a 6. S9 AP2 has twice the chance of destroying AV14 than S8 AP1 without the melta effect.