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hey guys, ok heres the dilema:

when you turbo-boost, you must end your move at least 18 inches away from your original starting posistion to get the cover save.... ok thats fine- but what if once completing my move, I then go BACK 12 inches with star engines... the rule for this simply states its use is "in lieu" of shooting... err cool... cheers for being vague guys!, does this mean that star engine moves take place in the movement phase- thus the skimmmer has not "completed its move" when it occurs, or is it in the shooting phase, after having "completed its move" in the movement phase, and thus gets it cover save (despite actually being now only just over 6inches from its original starting place) ??????

Feediz

The cover save is vague as it only says you need to move X inches. The only real thing that says you have to have moved inches from the starting spot is the rules for assaulting a tank. In which case you measure the distance it is from the original spot. With this trick you could likely end up with a cover save, but be easily hit in melee.

feediz wrote:hey guys, ok heres the dilema:

when you turbo-boost, you must end your move at least 18 inches away from your original starting posistion to get the cover save.... ok thats fine- but what if once completing my move, I then go BACK 12 inches with star engines... the rule for this simply states its use is "in lieu" of shooting... err cool... cheers for being vague guys!, does this mean that star engine moves take place in the movement phase- thus the skimmmer has not "completed its move" when it occurs, or is it in the shooting phase, after having "completed its move" in the movement phase, and thus gets it cover save (despite actually being now only just over 6inches from its original starting place) ??????

Feediz

First of all, you only need one question mark.

Secondly, CAPS is considered SHOUTING and is very RUDE.

Thirdly, it is considered polite to include basic punctuation (such as Capital Letters at the start of sentences), to spellcheck your post before posting it and so on and so forth.
Fourthly, Skimmers do not Turbo Boost, they go Flat Out. This is an important distinction as I explain below.

Fifthly(?), it is not vague in any way, shape or form. Re-read the rules for Skimmers and Flat Out. Page 71, Main Warhammer 40k Rulebook, Under the Heading "Skimmers", under the sub-heading "Shooting at Skimmers", Paragraph #1.
It makes no mention of distance to claim the cover save. All it has to have done is move Flat Out. That is, move more than 12" in the movement phase, as defined on page 70, Main Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, under the heading "Fast Vehicles", under the sub-heading "Moving Fast Vehicles", Paragraph #1.

You can, therefore, move 12.0000000000000...0001" in the movement phase, and then 12" back with the star engines, ending up 0.0000000000000...0001" from your starting position, but still able to claim the cover save.

You made Gwar angry.

(at least, it reads like that.)

cOOL CHEEERS,, FOOR THE... HELP???

I think you're still missing the part about the caps, feediz. You capitalize the first letter of a sentence, not lower case it and capitalize the rest of the sentence. Innocent mistake. Forgiven.

You can, therefore, move 12.0000000000000...0001" in the movement phase, and then 12" back with the star engines, ending up 0.0000000000000...0001" from your starting position, but still able to claim the cover save.

In fact you can move 7" forward and 7" back without even using star engines and still claim that cover save, ending exactly where you started.

FlingitNow wrote:

You can, therefore, move 12.0000000000000...0001" in the movement phase, and then 12" back with the star engines, ending up 0.0000000000000...0001" from your starting position, but still able to claim the cover save.

In fact you can move 7" forward and 7" back without even using star engines and still claim that cover save, ending exactly where you started.

That is not true, because you would only be moving Cruising Speed, since to count as moving flat out you must have moved 12.0000...0001" in the movement phase, as Detailed on page 57, which details how vehicles move in the movement phase.

That is not true, because you would only be moving Cruising Speed, since to count as moving flat out you must have moved 12.0000...0001" in the movement phase, as Detailed on page 57, which details how vehicles move in the movement phase.

Maths fail there Gwar! 7+7 = 14 > 12

FlingitNow wrote:

That is not true, because you would only be moving Cruising Speed, since to count as moving flat out you must have moved 12.0000...0001" in the movement phase, as Detailed on page 57, which details how vehicles move in the movement phase.

Maths fail there Gwar! 7+7 = 14 > 12

And how far did you move in the Movement phase, which is all that is taken into account when determining the vehicles speed, since the rules do mention any form of movement or speed in the shooting phase, but does so for the movement phase?

DERPYDO GWAR IS A MORON. >.>

And how far did you move in the Movement phase

14"... I did specify in my example that you don't use the star engines.

FlingitNow wrote:

And how far did you move in the Movement phase

14"... I did specify in my example that you don't use the star engines.

Well, DerpyDerpydo! Reading fail on my part I guess. Sorry. I read it as 7" in the movement phase + 7" with the star engines.

You are, indeed, correct on the cover save part. That'll teach me to stay up until 230am without coffee. However, doing what you suggest would result in being automatically hit in the Assault phase, because as clarified on page 63, "when assessing how far a vehicle has moved, only take into account the actual distance covered from its original position. Moving backwards and forwards or driving around in circles does not help!"

In fact, even using the star engine doodad would result in being autohit, unless you end up 0.00000...0001" in front of where you started, meaning you would only be hit on a 4+.

You are, indeed, correct on the cover save part. That'll teach me to stay up until 230am without coffee. However, doing what you suggest would result in being automatically hit in the Assault phase, because as clarified on page 63, "when assessing how far a vehicle has moved, only take into account the actual distance covered from its original position. Moving backwards and forwards or driving around in circles does not help!"

In fact, even using the star engine doodad would result in being autohit, unless you end up 0.00000...0001" in front of where you started, meaning you would only be hit on a 4+.

Yeah auto hit. So in reality as you've said you'd move forward perhaps 7" and back 6.5" (or 6.999999...9999" depending on how much cheese you want on your burger) so you're hit on a 4+.

It is a common misconception that you have to move 18"+ and end a distance from your starting point to get the flat out cover save. Mainly because people keep calling it turboboosting and interceed the Biker Turboboost rules and get themselves in a muddle.

FlingitNow wrote:It is a common misconception that you have to move 18"+ and end a distance from your starting point to get the flat out cover save. Mainly because people keep calling it turboboosting and interceed the Biker Turboboost rules and get themselves in a muddle.

Agreed. It is rather odd that a dirty big tank can fly in a circle 12" and get a cover save but a small and easy to hide bike can't.