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Well here's my drop pod list, I also plan on making a variation with a terminator captain leading the assault terminies

HQ

Space Marine Librarian
- Terminator armour
- Storm Shield
- Avenger
- Null Zone
Total 140pts

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

7 Scouts
- Sniper rifles
- Missile launcher
Total 111pts

Elite

5 Assault Terminators
Total - 200pts

Dreadnought
- Drop pod
Total 140pts

Fast attack

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts
10

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts

Heavy Support

Land Raider Crusader
- Extra armour
- Multimelta
Total 275pts

Pretty solid for 1500 - most players won't know what's hit them. I would recommend putting a locator beacon on one/both of your tactical pods, so that the Dread will come in nice an' easy.


I would switch out Avenger for Might of the Ancients, because the Libby will actually kill something in CC.

Why don't the sniper scouts have camo cloaks? Seem totally pointless without them.

Are the assault Terminators all TH/SS? If not they should be.

I'd keep avenger as hordes will cause your Terminators problems (and your list).

Other than that it looks pretty solid.

^ Good point, Flingit. Dunno why I missed that one.

Scouts without Camo cloaks is just stupid. Sure, that ruins' 4+ save is nice, but a 2+ is much better.. atleast until some heavy flamer comes along..

Combat Squad your tactical squads so that missile launchers can fire every shooting turn even when the rest of the squad isn't on the board.

I'd drop the Scouts and take another Dreadnought. Drop a powerfist from your tactical squad and take a melta dreadnought in a pod.

Corennus wrote:Combat Squad your tactical squads so that missile launchers can fire every shooting turn even when the rest of the squad isn't on the board.

I'd drop the Scouts and take another Dreadnought. Drop a powerfist from your tactical squad and take a melta dreadnought in a pod.

Good advice, this. Combat squads defending objective in cover (think about combat squading SERIOUSLY if you are playing kill points!) and two dreads coming down first turn with a combat or tactical squad.. fun

Hopefully Dreads arrive first turn. Being melta dreads you need to use them as suicide dreads (fire and forget. if you're lucky they'll survive and you can run them to another target).

Just be aware with drop pod armies you'll get EVERY gun in the enemy;s army (or worse assaulted) pointed at you when your pod arrives and your squad disembarks.

Also be aware that your terminators are not invulnerable. a 2+ save is great......until you roll 1s. and you WILL roll 1s!

Corennus wrote:Hopefully Dreads arrive first turn. Being melta dreads you need to use them as suicide dreads (fire and forget. if you're lucky they'll survive and you can run them to another target).

Just be aware with drop pod armies you'll get EVERY gun in the enemy;s army (or worse assaulted) pointed at you when your pod arrives and your squad disembarks.

Also be aware that your terminators are not invulnerable. a 2+ save is great......until you roll 1s. and you WILL roll 1s!

This problem was fixed when Blood Angels were released .

//SANGUINARY PRIESTS//

cheers guys, very good advice, the, only problem is I need to find 31pts from some place :(

To make the tacs more versatile and cheaper I could always give drop two meltas and make those flamers, so basically when i drop pod in, combat squad my guys, leave the launcher onboard, fire at will?

You want a dedicated melta squad or 2. if you're taking 4 tac squads i'd suggest 2 melta squads and 2 flamers.

Lose the powerfists. if you have to charge in to kill a tank you're doing something wrong.

OK fair enough, I shall keep those as is, I dont fancy losing the powerfists, mainly because I went and bought metal sergeants. besides its handy to have some powerfists laying about incase those melta guns miss or just roll rubbish on the damage chart.

Plus DPing in those tac squads will likely lead to them being in assault.

Also I'm pretty certain you can't combat squad and have 1 half of the unit in reserve and the other on the table. You have to split whilst actually deploying the unit.

you can combat squad them and have half in reserve. Because as soon as you combat squad them they become two separate units.

But you can only combat squad when you deploy them. Holding them in reserve is not deploying them.

FlingitNow wrote:Plus DPing in those tac squads will likely lead to them being in assault.

Also I'm pretty certain you can't combat squad and have 1 half of the unit in reserve and the other on the table. You have to split whilst actually deploying the unit.

I'm assuming that when you drop pod in you cant combat squad them and leave half in the pod then? which then makes the missile launcher a bit crap :( I think if I hadn't played 2nd and 3rd ed i might well use rhinos however for me just getting back into 40k drop pods are a bit of a novelty list that just sound cool, I think it is going to be a very hard list to use, the main problems I seem to encounter are getting the raider across the table in one piece, some games its flies across, no problems, others, well it was pretty much seeing how many termies i could get cross the table in one piece (mind you I only had two thunder hammers, i might have to see about getting some more thunder hammers).

Mind you I can't even field this army atm, I still a pod and speeder short (well for a few days anyways :( )

You can combat squad out of drop pods, but no unit can remain in them.

Thunder hammer Terminators are far more expensive than LC terminators in every other codex for a very good reason. Heck even within the Vaniulla codex everything that has an option for 2 LCs or TH/SS the TH/SS is far more expensive...

Always go all TH/SS.

FlingitNow wrote:You can combat squad out of drop pods, but no unit can remain in them.

Thunder hammer Terminators are far more expensive than LC terminators in every other codex for a very good reason. Heck even within the Vaniulla codex everything that has an option for 2 LCs or TH/SS the TH/SS is far more expensive...

Always go all TH/SS.

Unless you're playing Black Templars.. Str 5 Lightning claws ftw! Or LCs that re-roll to hit and wound.. gotta love that Champ!


Personally, I don't recommend dropping the fists in the tac squads.. and besides, metal models are awesome (except for assembly, convertion and "oh-snap-I-dropped-it" situations ).


Besides, 1750 is fun too.. .. Just like +250pts is fun as well.

Unless you're playing Black Templars.. Str 5 Lightning claws ftw! Or LCs that re-roll to hit and wound.. gotta love that Champ!

Black Templars don't truely have the option for TH/SS as their storm shield is woeful.

FlingitNow wrote:

Unless you're playing Black Templars.. Str 5 Lightning claws ftw! Or LCs that re-roll to hit and wound.. gotta love that Champ!

Black Templars don't truely have the option for TH/SS as their storm shield is woeful.

Well, 4+ only in CC.. damn right it hurts. Oh well, the LCs make up for it (if they live long enough)..

Well until I can get some more terminators (due to funds) its going to have to be 3 LC + 2TH+SS, here's the ultimate question, is the Lib the best choice to be leading the termies? I do have a desire to convert a Calgar to be armed wth two lightning claws

I also have a Chaplain sitiing about wanting to get used? I have been told before its not even worth upgrading the Lib, I have tried drop poding one in with a tac squad a couple of times, it didn't go well sadly :(

Chaplain is awesome with termies, and will be very good with the LC x3/TH/SS x2 setup

Besides, termie chap IS AWESOME

Besides, termie chap IS AWESOME

Well he's like a more expensive less good version of Chaplain Cassius...

Chaplain can be good, but he makes you fearless and won't do as much for you particularly against other hammer units as a Nullzone Libby will. Against non-hammer units you should win anyway, yes you win even more comfortably with eth Chappy in toe, but when you come up against that Seer Council or other assault Terminators, or a Hive Tyrant or even Nob bikers you'd wish you had the libby onside instead.

Rule really is this:

Chaplain with LC terminators

Librarian with TH terminators



Chaplain with LC Terminators is truly terrifying. But should only be used against soft targets like orks / eldar / tau.

For Thunder Hammer goodness consider Vulkan and Librarian (1500 is a little too little points for this) but it allows you to reroll hits and enemy has to reroll inv saves due to Null Zone)

BE AWARE THAT IF YOU TAKE LIBRARIAN AND PLAN ON TAKING ON VEHICLES WITH YOUR TERMINATORS (5+ TO GLANCE) YOUR LIBBY MUST TAKE MIGHT OF THE ANCIENTS

cheers guys, well by the sounds of it I might have to my chaplain out for a spin, yes hes not as good as a special character chaplain but he looks cool

HQ

Space Marine Chaplain
- Terminator armour
- Storm bolter
Total 130pts

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

6 Scouts
- Sniper rifles
- Cameo cloaks
- Missile launcher
Total 116pts

Elite

5 Assault Terminators
- 3 Lightning Claws
- 2 Thunder hammers
Total - 200pts

Dreadnought
- Drop pod
Total 140pts

Fast attack

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts

Heavy Support

Land Raider Crusader
- Extra armour
- Multimelta
Total 275pts

Well.. you could do a "counts-as" Blood Angels army, with the only changes being:

Dreadnought is heavy support
Chaplain has +1 to his BS, W, I, A and costs like 15pts more
Your TH/SS dudes are +5pts I believe

And the rest of your army is the same price but might have Furious charge (1/6 chance for each non-vehicle unit every game).



Nah, you're better off vanilla. I just wish that they hadn't standardized everything, like Chief Librarian Tiggy has as crap a profile as a normal Libby, and all chaplains are as crap as each other! I want my different levels of HQ back from 4th ed!

I have thought about doing a count as BA army actually, mainly because a Lib read does seem like a very fitting choice for Blood Ravens, I might have to take a look at the armylist or something.

Well, it's actually awesome. You could use Mephiston as an Azariah Kyras counts-as (WS7, S and T 6, Force weapon.. whole bunch of awesome psychic death..perfect!).

And their normal Libby's are also pretty damned powerful.. and don't even get me started on the Furioso's and Furioso Librarian dreads.

Well I think the main thing that make me thing they could be good for blood ravens is the librarian dreadnought, that just screams Blood Ravens to me. I think the one thing that puts me off is the black rage rule

Anyways I have also decided on a slight variation of this list

HQ

Space Marine Captain
- Terminator armour
- Pair of Lightning Claws
Total 155pts

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

10 Tactical Marines
- Missile Launcher
- Meltagun
- Powerfist + Melta-bolter
- Drop pod
Total 245pts

6 Scouts
- Sniper rifles
- Cameo cloaks
- Missile launcher
Total 116pts

Elite

5 Assault Terminators
- 3 Lightning Claws
- 2 Thunder hammers
Total - 200pts

Dreadnought
- Drop pod
Total 140pts

Fast attack

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts

Land speeder
- Multimelta
- Heavy flamer
Total 70pts

Heavy Support

Land Raider Crusader
- Extra armour
Total 265pts

The Librarian Dreadnought DOES NOT have the Black Rage (i.e. Rage USR)! Furioso Libby 'noughts are elites, although personally I'd rather take a normal Furioso with two Blood Claws. Also, check out Paulson Games - they have a Furioso Librarian conversion kit in the making, you can see it on their thread (just check my subscribed threads on my profile to find it).

Only Death Company Dreadnoughts which are non-scoring troops units have Rage.

I wads more thinking on everything else not sure how much sense it would make for my tactical marines unless they got really angry that someone had their relic or something lol.