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For those of you who don't know what "Chapter Approved" is. It was a series of articles that were in white dwarf before 5th edition came out, this articles added interesting things to the game such as rules for deathwatch space marines who could join any imperial army (SM, IG, INQ) as a HQ choice or in the case of marines be upgraded from a tactical squad as well.

Well to my question, is chapter approved rules still allowed in standard 40k games. So can I have a squad of Deathwatch marines in my IG army? Or is it a big no no?

I was just guessing that i would have to ask my opponent before the game started and let them decide.

What is your opinion DakkaDakka?

Not that I play in tournaments but this would be against the rules I guess.

No, simply because the rules were developed before the codices currently out right now.

Sternguard are pretty good stand-ins for Deathwatch, and I'm sure you can ask about bringing them in however.

Ok thanks for the quick reply and the help Kanluwen.

Of course, if your group will allow it, you can play with whatever rules you want. So, if they are happy to use (or modify) a Chapter Approved article, or if you want to use the Deathwatch as written, then as long as your group agrees, you can do that.

And there's not a damned thing that WRONGBADFUN up there can do about it.

Commissar Agro wrote:For those of you who don't know what "Chapter Approved" is. It was a series of articles that were in white dwarf before 5th edition came out.

To be precise, they were a set of articles from Rogue Trader days until the beginning of 3rd edition, from 1987 to 2000 (fourth edition starting 2004). So you definitely should ask people before using those at best 10 year and two editions old rules.

Kroothawk wrote:

Commissar Agro wrote:For those of you who don't know what "Chapter Approved" is. It was a series of articles that were in white dwarf before 5th edition came out.

To be precise, they were a set of articles from Rogue Trader days until the beginning of 3rd edition, from 1987 to 2000 (fourth edition starting 2004). So you definitely should ask people before using those at best 10 year and two editions old rules.

This. Though if the rules you want to use may make for a quirky/fun/enriched game your gaming friends shouldn't have much of an issue saying yes. But no officially I thought chapter approved was pretty much retconned now.

Kanluwen wrote:No, simply because the rules were developed before the codices currently out right now.

Sternguard are pretty good stand-ins for Deathwatch, and I'm sure you can ask about bringing them in however.

What should that have to do with that. Old codizies also dont get unvalid because of new ones. Why should i.e. the Deathwatch be unvalid because there is a new IG codex?
And For example the Zealots came after the most recent Withhunter codex. Why should they be unvalid?

Lexx wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Commissar Agro wrote:For those of you who don't know what "Chapter Approved" is. It was a series of articles that were in white dwarf before 5th edition came out.

To be precise, they were a set of articles from Rogue Trader days until the beginning of 3rd edition, from 1987 to 2000 (fourth edition starting 2004). So you definitely should ask people before using those at best 10 year and two editions old rules.

This. Though if the rules you want to use may make for a quirky/fun/enriched game your gaming friends shouldn't have much of an issue saying yes. But no officially I thought chapter approved was pretty much retconned now.

Wow has it really been going for that long, I don't buy WD much anymore unless something grabs my eye. I didn't even notice the lack if Chapter Approved until a few weeks ago. I haven't been in this hobby as long as other gamers, only being collection 40k since 4th edition and not even gaming until 5th edition. But I have plenty of older WD issues with Chapter approved.

Anyway my gaming group is allowing me to play with deathwatch marines in my guard army.

thanks everybody for the help

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, simply because the rules were developed before the codices currently out right now.

Sternguard are pretty good stand-ins for Deathwatch, and I'm sure you can ask about bringing them in however.

What should that have to do with that. Old codices also don't get invalidated because of new ones. Why should i.e. the Deathwatch be invalid because there is a new IG codex?
And, for example the Zealots came after the most recent Witchhunter codex. Why should they be invalid?

Uh, yeah actually an older codex does become invalid when a new version of that specific codex is released. That's why they release new versions...

As for "why should the Deathwatch be invalidated because there is a new IG codex"? It's simple. The rules were designed to work with a different version, weren't in common usage, and the rules can very readily be interpreted as "too OP" by the WAAC spankers.

It's the Forge World Syndrome, in short.
With a good enough gaming group who's willing to help you balance things out though, the possibilities are endless.
I use Deathwatch Marines in my Guard force on a regular basis locally for our Apoc games.
The local group just uses the Sternguard Veteran Squad, up all the models to count as Sergeants, so they can get the Sergeant's options. Then we make it so special issue ammunition applies not only to Boltguns but Storm Bolters, Combi-meltas, flamers, plasmas, and Heavy Bolters.
Add in an option for a "Deathwatch Veteran Sergeant", who gets the options/special rules from Telion for a Stalker pattern Boltgun, Eye of Vengeance, Voice of Experience, etc.

It makes for a pretty characterful Deathwatch Squad, and makes them a damned sight more fluffworthy of the Deathwatch.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Of course, if your group will allow it, you can play with whatever rules you want. So, if they are happy to use (or modify) a Chapter Approved article, or if you want to use the Deathwatch as written, then as long as your group agrees, you can do that.

And there's not a damned thing that WRONGBADFUN up there can do about it.

How is that any different from what I said...? I'm fairly certain that "I'm sure you can ask about bringing them in however" implies that asking your gaming group is a better idea than a collection of gamers from the Internet.


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Also, as an aside...
If anyone wants a copy of the rules that my local group and I use for a Deathwatch Kill-Team, PM me. They're pretty damned long and still need more playtesting before I put them up in Proposed Rules.