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Hey there. This is my first army I'm actually making. Any advice on how to improve it would be fantastic. Also, I'm not sure what to remove to reduce the points cost. Any suggestions? Thanks to who ever helps out!

HQ.
Captain
- power sword
- flamer
- melta bombs
- jump pack
?pts (I don't have the codex with me)

Honour Guard
- chapter banner
- jump packs
195pts

ELITES.
Furioso dreadnought
- blood talon
- heavy flamer
- extra armor
drop pod
185pts

Furioso dreadnought
- blood talon
- heavy flamer
- extra armor
drop pod
185pts

Sanguinary Priest x2
- jump pack x2
150pts

TROOPS.
Assault Squad x10
- Melta Gun x2
- power fist
235pts

Assault Squad x10
- Melta Gun x2
- power fist
235pts

Assault Squad x10
- Melta Gun x2
- power fist
235pts


TOTAL 1645 points (roughly)

Doesnt look half bad. Only weakness is maybe long range anti vehicle weapons to deal with pesky mech forces (preads and auto dreads are good at that). One thing I would change is make the Captain a Librarian. much more useful

Thank you for the suggestions! Would a devastator squad of five, with four lascannons, be a sufficient anti-vehicle force? Would I need more do you think? Would it be unwise to remove one of the assault squads to make room for the devastator squad? What kind of librarian setup would you suggest?

Son of Lorgar wrote:Thank you for the suggestions! Would a devastator squad of five, with four lascannons, be a sufficient anti-vehicle force? Would I need more do you think? Would it be unwise to remove one of the assault squads to make room for the devastator squad? What kind of librarian setup would you suggest?

Ehh Devs for BA dont really play on their strengths. maybe land speeders with missiles launchers or something

also you could try makin the dreads to lib-dreads.

Here's an updated list. Didn't change too much. Did I pick the right powers for the librarian?

HQ.
Librarian
- The Sanguine Sword
- Unleash Rage
- jump pack
125pts

Honour Guard
- chapter banner
- jump packs
195pts

ELITES.
Furioso dreadnought
- blood talon
- heavy flamer
- extra armor
drop pod
185pts

Furioso dreadnought
- blood talon
- heavy flamer
- extra armor
drop pod
185pts

Sanguinary Priest x2
- jump pack x2
150pts

TROOPS.
Assault Squad x10
- Melta Gun x2
- power fist
235pts

Assault Squad x10
- Melta Gun x2
- power fist
235pts

Predator
= twin-linked lascannon
- lascannon sponsons
- hunter-killer missle
190pts

TOTAL 1500 points

If you want more anti-av13/14 go Blood Lance for the Librarian. I would suggest it since you can pop Land Raiders etc. wit that fairly easily. Don't take the TL Las Cannon on the Pred, just use the basic Autocannon it as.

I would suggest more anti-armor for sure.

Maybe change your Furiosos to Librarian Furiosos with Blood Lance, drop behind the enemy and line up their vehicles and lance. That would make your army more balanced and not mess with the foundation of how you originally wanted it.

I'd lose the Honour Guard for another 10-Strong Assault Squad, and one of the Furioso Dreadnoughts for a Vindicator. That Predator is also mighty expensive; I'd switch it to AC/HBs and then add 2 MM Attack Bikes, or even 2 Land Speeders. Consider putting some, if not all, of the Assault Squads into Rhinos.

Try to see if you can scrape up the points to equip your dreadnaughts with frag cannons. They will help you mow through hordes and no FNP for gaunts by the way.

For the assault squads power fists dont work too well I find try lightning claws they are much more devistating and you dont want to put assault squads against vehicals so no power fist my opinion lcs are cheaper in points too and if you put a sang preist with a lightning claw with those assault squads then thats gonna rip holes in the enemy lines try it

It looks like your planning on dropping everything minus the predator? Recconsider it. Its cool for a unit or two but it leaves you way too suseptable

Im not a fan of Assault Dreads in Drop Pods, leaves you open for a round before you can get into the mix, in which time I usually watch a savvy player blow up said Assault Dread. Target priority will see your dreadnoughts killed before you get to do the nasty stuff you want to do with them. I'd say drop the Dreads, grab a couple of Devastator squads, kit your Honor Guard with Melta/Flamers/Jump Packs, and run the Librarian with the HG.

Tanks die to fast now with the plethora of Melta that runs around. You need to provide enough target options that your tanks can squeeze through, or use them to allow other things to make it through, either way is hard at 1500. If your bound and determined to take tanks, take 3 Vindi's. 3 Fast Str 10 Large Blast templates will change the tempo of your games, and create a situation where your opponent will have to react to the Vindi's, allowing the rest of your army to run amok.

Amok Amok Amok!

There are so many better options for drop podding T1, I don't know why anyone would drop assault troops in a pod with only a flamer or melta while they get completely anus-pained the turn after. And before someone tells me they will weather the storm, I ask how many lasguns or shurikens they can take before completely being decimated by the troops that otherwise would have had no target in range of.

You really want pain? Drop in 2 Librarian dreads T1, blood lance them, then drop in something else T2.

How does this list look? Better or worse then the last one?

HQ.
Librarian
- blood lance
- sanguine sword
100pts

Sanguinary Priest x3
150pts

TROOPS.
Assault Squad x8
- melta gun x1
- lightning claw
Rhino
194pts

Assault Squad x8
- melta gun x1
- lightning claw
Rhino
194pt

Assault Squad x8
- melta gun x1
- lightning claw
Rhino
194pts

Baal Predator
- flamestorm cannon
115pts

Baal Predator
- flamestorm cannon
115pts

Baal Predator
- flamestorm cannon
115pts

Devastator Squad x6
-missle launcher x4
156pts

Devastator Squad x6
-missle launcher x4
156pts

TOTAL 1499 points

i wouldn't use devs they aren't really point efficient. i would rather have an auto pred for around the same points or tac squads which can go into combat squads and take objectives. or even an autocannon dred. i like the blood talons dreds in your list before, and don't think you needed to take them out out to have lots of long range support, you needed only a bit in your starting list. i would have just added an auto dred or two, and a auto pred. or two auto preds.

why not go up to 1850 too i think thats more common these days.

Thanks for the advice. That list was just something I threw together. I like my first list better.

Here's my 2 1500pt lists, pick your fave

Libby (Shield and Lance/Rage)
-Term Armor
-Storm Shield

10m Assault
-2x Flamer
-P.Fist

10m Assault
-2x Flamer
-P.Fist

10m Assault
-2x Meltagun
-Infernus Pistol
-P.Fist

5m Assault Termies
-2x Lightning Claws
-3x Thunderhammer & Storm Shield
-Land Raider Redeemer
-Multi-Melta

Land Speeder
-Multi-Melta
-Typhoon Missile Laucher

Land Speeder
-Multi-Melta
-Typhoon Missile Laucher

Libby Rides with termies in LRR as deathstar. Landspeeders hunt for vehicles. Assault marines mop up the rest.

-*or*-

HQ
Librarian 100
-- Shield of Sanguinius
-- Fear of Darkness or Blood Lance

Troops
(5) Assault Squad 180
-- Razorback
-- Twin-linked Assault Cannon
-- Extra Armor

(10) Assault Squad 250
-- 2x Meltagun
-- Powerfist
-- Infernus Pistol

(10) Assault Squad 250
-- 2x Meltagun
-- Powerfist
-- Infernus Pistol

Elites
(2) Sanguinary Priest 150
-- 2x Jump Pack

Fast Attack
Baal Predator 145
-- Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Baal Predator 145
-- Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Heavy Support
Vindicator 145
-- Siege Shield

Predator 135
-- Lascannon Sponsons

Libby in razorback