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HQ

Librarian
Terminator Armour
Null Zone & Avenger
125

Librarian
Terminator Armour
Null Zone & Avenger
125

ELITES

Terminator Squad (7 man)
Chainfists x 2
Assault Cannon
320
DT: Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta
260

Terminator Squad (7 man)
Chainfists x 2
Assault Cannon
320

Terminator Squad (8 man)
Chainfists x 2
Heavy Flamer
355

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Teleport Homer
Melta Gun
Lascannon
DT: Rhino w/ HK
255

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Lascannon
DT: Rhino w/ HK
240

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Lascannon
DT: Rhino w/ HK
240

HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta
260

2500

3 Terminator Squads. one deep striking to deal with anti-infantry (with chainfists if walkers attack). 3 tac squads for objectives (combat squadded)

I dont quite see how you'd kill everything on the battlefield at 1500, much less at 2500...

I'm not even sure you'd be able to win...

it would be fun to try out.

and the full title should be :

Terminators. when you absolutely positively have to kill everything in your path, accept no substitute.

Aye, it would definetely be fun, but maybe not too competitive.

Good luck with it =)

I'm not sure. I think it might scare the crap out of some armies!

2 land raiders and 3 terminator squads mean the enemy needs a lot of firepower to take them out. and while he's concentrating on them the tacticals can take objectives and snipe etc.

It looks fun...but I don't see it being overpowering.

I'd enjoy playing it with my "bad breath" list

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315568.page

Jabbdo wrote:I'd enjoy playing it with my "bad breath" list

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315568.page

Buh...kind of scary for any troop based list...glad I play GKs...

I think star cannons and bright lance wave serpents would rip this list apart, personally.

Side note: Eldar make me upset. haha

I don't like Eldar either. but they die nicely when their little bodies meet massed bolters.


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ok. Moving away from Terminators to something just as nasty.

Razorback spam to the max!

HQ

Librarian
Storm Bolter
Null Zone & Avenger
103

ELITES

Sternguard Squad (6 man)
x 2 Combi-Flamer
x 4 Combi-Melta
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
265

Sternguard Squad (6 man)
x 2 Combi-Flamer
x 4 Combi-Melta
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
265

Sternguard Squad (6 man)
x 2 Combi-Flamer
x 4 Combi-Melta
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
265

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (5 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Powerfist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
220

Tactical Squad (6 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Powerfist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
226

Tactical Squad (6 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Powerfist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
226

Tactical Squad (6 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Powerfist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
226

Tactical Squad (6 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Power Fist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
226

Tactical Squad (6 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta & Power Fist
DT: Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon
HK Missile
226

HEAVY SUPPORT

Vindicator
HK Missile
125


Vindicator
HK Missile
125

2498

Firepower:

9 Twin Linked Plasma Guns
9 Lascannons
6 Combi-Flamers (Crowd Control)
12 Combi-Melta (Sternguard)
6 Combi-Melta (Troops)
6 Power Fists (Troops)
2 Demolisher Cannons
9 HK Missiles

BA or SW do Razor Spam much better.

BA don't really cause their Razorbacks are uber expensive.

SW.....maybe. but their basic whole army is just vanilla with a few wolf tails giving a bit of spice. Less costly devastators (but can't take extra body bags).
Very close combaty troops, but don't have such good leadership...

IMO Vanilla does mech best

BA Razorbacks are fast, take 5 man Assult Sqauds and remove their jump packs to reduce the cost of the Razorback by 35 points...

to get.......a Vanilla razorback.
which still costs you more cause the assault squad starts at 100 points.

Youre saying a lot of things that are just downright wrong, Corennus.

Actually its like this:


BA assault squad: 100pts - able to take a special weapon

Razorback 55-35: 20 pts Razorback w/ lasplas: 55pts

Total: 155pts (plus possible special weapon costs)


Grey hunter squad: 75pts - able to take a special weapon

Razorback: 40pts Razorback w/ lasplas: 75pts

Total: 150pts (plus possible special weapon costs)


Vanilla tactical squad: 90pts

Razorback: 40pts Razorback w/ lasplas: 75pts

Total: 165pts


So youre paying 10/15pts MORE with vanilla marines for a vehicle that isnt fast, and the guys inside are total dead weights as they cant be given a special weapon beyond a combi-.

Vanilla marines do some things better than BA and wolves, sure, but if its razorspam youre after then I'd go with BA, personally paying 5pts for a fast vehicle is worth it for me.

Jabbdo wrote:I'd enjoy playing it with my "bad breath" list

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315568.page

Jabbo's right, played well his army could batter those marines.

Thanks =)

@ Corennus

I think dual land raider armies are still viable, you just need more ranged suppression fire, preferable riflemen dreads and autolas preds.

hmmmm 2500 points.....

let's have some fun

HQ

Vulkan He'stan
190

Librarian
Terminator armour w/ storm shield
Epistolary
Null Zone & Might of Ancients
190

ELITES

Terminator Assault Squad (5 man)
x 5 TH/SS
DT: Land Raider w/ Multi-Melta & Extra Armour
475

Terminator Assault Squad (5 man)
x 5 TH/SS
200

Sternguard Squad (10 man)
x 4 Combi-Flamer
x 6 Combi-Plasma
DT: Rhino w/ Extra Armour & HK
360

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Missile Launcher
Rhino w/HK
230

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Missile Launcher
Rhino w/ HK
230

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Missile Launcher
Rhino w/ HK
230

HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider w/ MM & Extra Armour
275

Predator
Lascannon Sponsons
120

2500 points. and that's with t-l multi-meltas. melta guns, , mastercrafted thunder hammers. Null Zone and a librarian that can (hopefully) take down any monstrous creature or daemon (soulgrinder i'm looking at you)

you kill everything on the field, then you realise by 3rd turn you have no troops left in objectives...

seriously. you never take too many elites. better to field 50 tactical marines and have no terminators then 30 marines and 10 terminators. who's gonna pull out more against horde?

I personally take a squad of 10 terminators, 2 CML, keep five back for support, and take five, with chainfists out to clear out tanks. works wonders against lumbering behemoths. and remember, against monoliths, though you can only glance... you glance enough times, you immobilise it, then keep the hell away from it. or, you might get lucky and ruin it.

3 tactical squads for objectives......that's enough iMO....

Quite solid list, 3 tacticals squads is enough albeit a little on the low side.
Personally I would drop the Libby down to a plain PA libby and take a second ACLC pred (by droping the HK missiles)

For list 3, take Kantor. He'd be a good addition to a sternguard heavy list.

6 HK missiles compared to one Predator......

and kantor? no I think not. not for a single sterngaurd unit.

Why take vulkan and then take ML for the tacticals? And why do you have plasma on the sterns and not melta? I agree that you need another autolas pred, run them in pairs or not at all, besides the lib really doesnt need epistolary, and drop might of the ancients for something else as it sucks balls, maybe vortex or avenger.

Where is the lib going BTW, theres no room in the raiders...

Ok:

1. Land Raiders have capacity of 12 models. models in terminator armour count as 2 models when embarking on a land raider. therefore a land raider can take 6 terminators.

2. Why am I taking Missile Launchers instead of multi-meltas. Cause combat squadding the tac squads allows you to have a nice fire base (missile launchers) firing every turn while rhinos move into range of blasting vehicles with melta.

3. Why plasma and not melta on sternguard? cause they're a dedicated tough anti-infantry unit. do I want 6 single shots of Str8 AP 1 (even twin-linked) or 12 Str7 AP3........I'll take the 12.

4. Land Raiders have twin-linked lascannons. with the auto=las pred that's 6 lascannons. I don't need another.

5. Have you tried assaulting a soul grinder with a load of terminators and a librarian? without MoA librarian can't do a thing, and TH can only have a hope of glancing.

1. Redeemers have 12 capacity, phobos has 10.

2. Why take vulkan then? You can zoom forward on turn 1 with the rhinos to project a 24" threat range with the MM that no tanks want to come into, to say nothing of coming within 12".

3. Again, why take vulkan then? And why take sterns as a plasma squad? Melta is where its at. Take a 4 plasma cannon dev squad if you must.

4. I'm saying theres no point running a single pred as theres not enough redundancy, enemies will just blast it and youll have no backups.

5. Why are assaulting a soul grinder? Really? You have TL lascs ans TL melta? Shoot it maybe?? Really that's just a bad example... And actually TH terms are str 8, grinders are front 13, 8+6=14=pen. Read your codex.

In your current list Vulkan is pretty pointless, and unless your HK missiles costs 5pts you would only need to remove 3 HK missiles..

#3You have 2 squads of TH&SS termies, thats enough to deal with heavy infatry, Id take meltas on the sternguards in a heartbeat.

#4 yes you do, you would be better of with a LRC, they are better in every aspect once you are within 24" and I assume you want to charge your LRs forward?

#5 why would you assault a Soul Grinder with TH/SS termies? Shoot it with meltas. And even if you do get charged the soul grinder is Av13 so you can still penetrate. The Libby will most likely be dead with in the first turn anyway since 1 wound= dead libbe, so id rather keep my Libby in the LR for more survivability and a better range on the hood as well as nullzone...


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Phobos is 12 capacity in Vanilla, 10 in the others

ok, my bad on capacity.