Which kind of Marine would fare best in one on one close combat?

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**ductvader**

Pick your chapter...who would win the the cage match?

Standard Weapons included.

**Mattieau**

Angry Marines.

If not then BA

**ductvader**

My personal opinion was Grey Knights...I didn't want to go first though.

**Shadowbrand**

A Grey Knight.

**Lord of battles**

Space wolves Duh!

**ductvader**

How does a Space Wolf beat a GK?

**candy.man**

Not including Grey Knights (since they are more elite specialists), I’d say World Eaters would do quite well. Fluff wise, they have more close combat experience/capabilities than a standard marine and are given +1 A, +1WS and the Furious Charge USR on the table to represent this. I’d also like to think that in terms of fluff, a Khornate chain axe is more powerful than an ordinary marine chain sword due to Khornate chain axes getting alternate rules in the 3.5 chaos codex.

All in all, I would rank the top 3 as follows:
1. World Eaters (Based off the rules and fluff. Probably the only pure CC/non ranged MEQ army in 40k )
2. Space Wolves (Based off the rules and fluff. Close second)
3. Blood Angels (Based of the rules and fluff. Only third as CC ferocity is reliant upon external factors such as red thirst, sanguinary priests, psychic powers, black rage etc)

**Iur_tae_mont**

An Angry Marine. ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME!

**Brother SRM**

Grey Knights - they're strength 6 and not a stupid 4chan meme.

**Da Butcha**

Legion of the Damned or 13th Company Space Wolves.

**Xca|iber**

I'm with candy.man.

World Eaters, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels. I think it would essentially boil down to who exactly was fighting though.

**Shrike325**

Slaaneshi marine with a power weapon beats 'em all... joys of going first ya know.

**Smarteye**

Death company BA marine, with power weapon.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

A marine from the dreaded and feared Wimpymarines Chapter.

**Emperors Faithful**

The Marine who brings his Catachan buddy.

**RaegMachine**

World Eaters

**popZgloc**

world eaters!

**Gamble**

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**Jaon**

An Ultramarine. (someone had to say it

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Jokes aside, grey knights would give any of them a thorough beat down and curb stomping!

**SaintHazard**

Grey Knight in Tactical Dreadnought Armor with Nemesis Halberd has my vote. Pit one of those, one-on-one with any other Marine, and you'll probably see him come out ahead.

A close second would be a regular Terminator with twin LCs.

**Commander Endova**

No love for the Black Templars, eh?

I'd think they'd have to be a contender. Swordsmanship is a huge part of the character and tradition. Whiped up into fiery, zealous passion, and you've got a hell of a duel on your hands.

**nerdfest09**

Space wolf from 13th company, uber aggressive uber cool and....well a werewolf who's 8 feet tall in power armour! gotta kick some butt

**Eyclonus**

Not to criticize the 13th Company, but they're not really a viable codex as the wulfen models aren't available much now. But I would say that coupled with counterattack, True Grit and 2 A, the Grey Slayers would be on par with the World Eaters.
In a wider strategic context, they all have MTC and Scouts which makes them quite interesting to use.

Note that their rules were written extending from the 3rd edition SW Codex, so maybe if it was with the current rules they'd be even better.

As for actual Wulfen, the Grey Slayers beat them for having equal base attacks and ranged weapons, as well as being 3 points cheaper.

**Retrias**

Grey Knight, the whole chapter is issued a specialized weapon, i wonder why
Blood Angels
Angry marines: 2 powerfist/angry fist, and 2 power feet

**Eyclonus**

GK don't get powerweapons, S6 is well and good, but you don't deny the 3+ armour save that will save the SM butt everytime.

**SaintHazard**

Eyclonus wrote:GK don't get powerweapons, S6 is well and good, but you don't deny the 3+ armour save that will save the SM butt everytime.

Which is why I specifically said GK Terminator.

If you look at the Nemesis Force Weapon entry in the codex, you'll see that while for regular PAGK the Nemesis Force Weapon is not a power weapon, for GK Terminators, it is.

**LordWynne**

Khorne Bezerker w/ chain axe and chain sword

**Jayden63**

You can pile on all of the USRs that you want onto a marine but that kinda breaks the idea of the standard marine with standard weapons.

As such looking at just base line stats I'm going to go with a World Eater Berzerker, Grey Knight, or a Space Wolf with Mark of the Wulfen.

Power/force weapons are not exactly standard weapons. However Wulfen are the only guys who have rending and as such can penitrate the other guys armor. Also with D6+1 attacks I imagine when they get their motor wound up its pretty nasty.

But if your looking for something a little tailored to cage fighting, but still with standard weapons. I'll go with a Lone Wolf with MotW. 2 wounds, FNP, eternal warrior, and D6+1 rending attacks. Thats one furball that if he is going down, he is going to take you with him and in as many pieces as possible.

**bucketwalrus**

if we are going for expensive marines..

Slaanesh aspiring champion equipped with a power weapon and doom siren. good luck surviving him.

better yet.

Chaos terminator champion with Mark of Slaanesh, and twin lightningclaws

**SaintHazard**

Jayden63 wrote:Power/force weapons are not exactly standard weapons. However Wulfen are the only guys who have rending and as such can penitrate the other guys armor. Also with D6+1 attacks I imagine when they get their motor wound up its pretty nasty.

They are for Grey Knights.

Hence my choice.