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Definatly a GK.

SaintHazard wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:Power/force weapons are not exactly standard weapons. However Wulfen are the only guys who have rending and as such can penitrate the other guys armor. Also with D6+1 attacks I imagine when they get their motor wound up its pretty nasty.

They are for Grey Knights.

Hence my choice.

The Nemisis weapon in the hands of a standard Grey Knight is not a power weapon. +2 strength is nothing to laugh at, but its still not a power weapon. I still don't know if I would call it a standard weapon.

Now, Sanguinary Guard and their weapon (what ever its called) is a Master Crafted power weapon all the time regardless of who is wielding it. I still wouldn't call it a standard weapon either.

Jayden63 wrote:The Nemisis weapon in the hands of a standard Grey Knight is not a power weapon. +2 strength is nothing to laugh at, but its still not a power weapon. I still don't know if I would call it a standard weapon.

Now, Sanguinary Guard and their weapon (what ever its called) is a Master Crafted power weapon all the time regardless of who is wielding it. I still wouldn't call it a standard weapon either.

..which is why my choice happens to be a Grey Knight Terminator.

As I've said already. Twice.

Grey Knight Justicar has a WS 5 S6 Power Weapon...stock.

I think its pretty much unanimus.

What's with all the GK's didnt the post say standard gear? A BT would just falcon punch everyone into non existence

asimo77 wrote:What's with all the GK's didnt the post say standard gear? A BT would just falcon punch everyone into non existence

Nemesis Force Weapons are standard gear for GKs.

An Irish Marine who was red headed and drunk.

Black Templars
Blood Angels
Iron hands

Brother SRM wrote:Grey Knights - they're strength 6 and not a stupid 4chan meme.

Thank you.
+1

If we're going standard equipment on a basic Troop choice marine, not subbing in a Sergeant with a power weapon, then Grey Knights.
Higher WS than most, so generally hitting on 3+
S6 so wounding on 2+
Sure the enemy gets a armour save, but in this scenario everybody does.
After that Khorne Berzerker
Higher WS than most, so generally hitting on 3+
Furious charge so if they charge they hit first, and wound on 3+
Lots of attacks = more armour saves = more chance of wounding.

Im going to second the Death Company: Number of attacks, Higher than standard WS, and coming stock with Feel No Pain and furious charge means any wound inflicted only would have a 50% chance of sticking.

SaintHazard wrote:

Eyclonus wrote:GK don't get powerweapons, S6 is well and good, but you don't deny the 3+ armour save that will save the SM butt everytime.

Which is why I specifically said GK Terminator.

If you look at the Nemesis Force Weapon entry in the codex, you'll see that while for regular PAGK the Nemesis Force Weapon is not a power weapon, for GK Terminators, it is.

I was replying to the guy above me, also this is about basic troopers, not Marines with a few centuries of experience and powerweapons.

If we bring up elites or other MEQ/TEQ units, then Obliterators, because who doesn't love heavy weapon spam!

Eyclonus wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

Eyclonus wrote:GK don't get powerweapons, S6 is well and good, but you don't deny the 3+ armour save that will save the SM butt everytime.

Which is why I specifically said GK Terminator.

If you look at the Nemesis Force Weapon entry in the codex, you'll see that while for regular PAGK the Nemesis Force Weapon is not a power weapon, for GK Terminators, it is.

I was replying to the guy above me, also this is about basic troopers, not Marines with a few centuries of experience and powerweapons.

If we bring up elites or other MEQ/TEQ units, then Obliterators, because who doesn't love heavy weapon spam!

Except that those heavy weapons are worthless in CC, which this thread is specifically about.

Also, OP never once said the words, "basic troopers."

I quote the title: "Which kind of Marine would fare best in one on one close combat?"

Marine. Not "basic Marine trooper." Marine.

And the OP: "Pick your chapter...who would win the the cage match?

Standard Weapons included."

Standard weapons included. NFW is standard for GK Terminators, is a power weapon, and Terminators are marines. I could even pick nits a bit and say you couldn't choose a Chaos Marine, since Legions are not Chapters. But I won't.

GK Terminators fit all the criteria the OP put forward. Technically so do Obliterators, but a single Oblit would be dead in the first round of CC, with a power fist striking AFTER the GK's S6 power weapon that would, incidentally, cause the Oblit to be "Slain Outright" after taking only one wound (unless Obliterators, being Daemonkin, are not beholden to this rule, I'd have to look at the paper GK codex to tell you for sure).

Even if it didn't, that Oblit would probably die in the first round of combat.

By fluff? Probably a Night Lord or Blood Angel (excluding GK). By rules i'm going ->insert MEQ champion with Pfist here<-.