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**garret**

In the latest burst of anti-kids-in-public news, a North Carolina restaurant is making headlines with signage that does not quibble. “Screaming Children Will NOT Be Tolerated!” read signs at the the Olde Salty restaurant in Carolina Beach, N.C. And while some parents have expressed concern that they are singling out disabled kids, most patrons have responded well.

Brenda Armes, the restaurant's owner, told the local NBC affiliate, WECT, the clearly stated message has been good for business. "It has brought in more customers than it has ever kept away," she said.

It's one more line in the sand(box) by adults who believe tolerance of cranky, crying, noisy (or quiet-breastfeeding) kids has a definite limit when they are around on a plane, in a restaurant, in a bar.

In Brooklyn, N.Y., the bar Union Hall took a lot of heat from parents/customers when it attempted to ban strollers. But the Double Windsor bar near Park Slope still followed up with a decision to ban babies after 5 p.m. As New York Magazine's Daily Intel reported, they did so with humor in signs that read, in part, that though the establishment is quite sure their customers' babies were "really mature for their age," they are just not old enough to legally drink alcohol. One "BAN KIDS FROM RESTAURANTS!" Facebook group has sprung up with 162 members. Even attendees of the Coconut Grove Arts Festival, it seems, had negative opinions about all of the strollers with kids in them at the Miami event.

Up in the skies, a recent poll by Skyscanner, a fare-comparison website, found that almost 60 percent of travelers would love it if airlines demarcated a families-with-children section on airplanes, meaning they would love to sit in child-free zones. And, nearly 20 percent of travelers said they would rather fly on completely child-free flights, period.

All of which begs the questions: Are people becoming more intolerant of kids, noisy or not, in public places? Or are more parents who bring their kids with them everywhere tuned out to how their sometimes noisy offspring may be affecting those around them?

I Quite honestly like this idea. i hate going places and hearing kids scream or running around.

**Orkeosaurus**

**Jihadnik**

Yup, 100 percent behind this. As a single..manchild, I can't stand screaming kids in places where adults like to congregate. I was always brought up that kids should be seen but no heard!

In Australia this is already becoming very popular and I love it...even if only because I love to watch the arguements that ensue between breeders and retail workers when they are asked to leave...or at the very least, shut thier kid up!

That being said, I would also support a new social revolution where instead of segregating kids, we just open up all of thier institutions to adults. So, adults can go and drink on those kids restaraunts and order kids meals and the like.

Personally, I love those fish and chip things you can get instead of 'fancy' food that costs twice as much. And I'd love to run into a primary school now and then and kick a kids ball over the fence like I never got the chance to do when I was a kid!

Of course, that could go very bad, so please, remember this is a joke, not something much creepier!

**Khornholio**

Kids are OK. I don't dislike them. We have all screamed in restaurants when we were little. A lot of it has to do with parents who are so accustomed to their kids running amok not to be thoughtful towards other patrons. However, I am out of the loop with the West, so things like strollers and breastfeeding don't really go down in my neck of the woods. But if I were to take little ones out for something to eat I think I'd be looking for the term 'family restaurant', like Denny's (even though it's a greasy gakfest) not some fancy schmancy eatery.

My beef with kids is airplanes. 14 hour international flights with kids screaming and kicking your seat is not a joy by any stretch of the imagination. That's why alcohol is free. Stewardesses usually raise an eyebrow when you order 3 beers in one go.

**Jihadnik**

Hmm, thats a good point actually! You're right, it is the parents fault!

**Monster Rain**

I have two thoughts on this.

A: Children are a fact of life. Get over your precious self-involvement and deal with being a member of society that, god-forbid, might bring you into contact with a child.

B: If people were more attentive parents, this sort of thing wouldn't be necessary. I bring my kids all over the place and they know that there would be consequences for acting that way. They will occasionally ask me why other kids are allowed to act like animals and they are not, and the answer is always the same. "I hold you to a higher standard than that kid's parents do for him." I would have no problem taking my kids to the restaurant in the OP, because they wouldn't be screaming.

**R3con**

Eh I have 2 kids, and I've got no problem with this.

It's their restaurant they can do with it as they like.

My little one is usually pretty well behaved..but right now he's cutting in 2 molars and a front tooth. For those of you that dont know this makes kids VERY cranky. We had to go out for my mothers birthday dinner, and it was a BIATCH keeping him quiet and happy. He blew up a couple times but I was on top of him.

Unfortunately some people just shouldnt have kids....and ruin it for the rest of us breeders...but thats another thread

**Gwar!**

WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

I wonder how long before the ACLU sue them for being discriminatory?

**Monster Rain**

Gwar! wrote:WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

I wonder how long before the ACLU sue them for being discriminatory?

That would definitely be entertaining.

I do hope that it happens.

Controversy sustains me.

**Borkin**

Should get some "No screaming kids" signs for the FLGS.

**LunaHound**

Monster Rain wrote:
B: If people were more attentive parents, this sort of thing wouldn't be necessary.

If you think about it carefully , removing trouble making children with such bans is ALOT easier
than getting into argument with their parents on why have they failed to teach their children proper manners.

It would be straight to the point , and lesser hassles.

**SlaveToDorkness**

"You tryin ta tell me howta raise my kids?!"

The battlecry of the gak parent!

GOD I wish my FLGS had that policy. Some of our guys bring in freakin BABIES on game night and have them in their little thrones all night long. Ugh. Although incidents of breast feeding are self policing for some reason...lol

**Asherian Command**

Agreed. Even though i'm 16!

**Gwar!**

Never understood the opposition to brestfeeding. It's natural, it's healthy and I am sure as hell not gonna complain if someone wants to get their baps out in public!

**helgrenze**

If I recall.... Old Salty's is a surf and turf style place with a bar. It's on the boardwalk in Carolina Beach and its not a very big place. Dinner runs @$20-30 per person and they like to feed you. They seem ok with kids that are behaving but if your kids are screaming and running amuck...

There is a story about a woman that was awarded a large sum when she sued a furniture store for her injuries..... after she tripped over her own unruly child.

Having almost tripped over some-one elses child that was running rampant in a buffet style place, I can apprieciate some places not wanting kids that do not know how to behave.

You want to let the kids loose, take them to Chuckie Cheeses.

**snurl**

Its not the noise that bothers me, its the running amok part.
If I had behaved the way kids do today when I was young I would have developed a severe case of assbeatenitus.

**MadEdric**

Good on them.
When I was growing up, a child was not taken to a restaurant unless they proved they could behave themselves. That meant me and my siblings didn't see the inside of one until 8-9 years old.
This seems to be lost on a majority of the last few generations of parents. They seem to think that everyone is fine with their screaming children. We aren't, they are a nuisance you inflict on us.
Fast food places, bring them, the place is made for kids. A nice sit down restaurant, leave them at home. That's what a babysitter is for.
Teach your child that politeness and courtesy are expected qualities and when they can behave, let them become a member of society.

**Kilkrazy**

I've taken my daughter to some of the best restaurants in the world, and she behaved herself because she was brought up not to act like a monkey. Also we always made sure to bring a drawing book and crayons for her to amuse herself.

Dining out is a part of social life. Children need to be socialised to join in this as in other aspects of life and wider society. The problem is parents who don't understand this.

I don't have a problem with restaurants who ban children. I will go to a different restaurant.

**Ahtman**

Kilkrazy wrote:I've taken my daughter to some of the best restaurants in the world, and she behaved herself because she was brought up not to act like a monkey. Also we always made sure to bring a drawing book and crayons for her to amuse herself.

Dining out is a part of social life. Children need to be socialised to join in this as in other aspects of life and wider society. The problem is parents who don't understand this.

I don't have a problem with restaurants who ban children. I will go to a different restaurant.

Wait wait wait...there is a little Killkrazy running around? I'm not sure my worldview can stand up to such a fierce assault.

**Kilkrazy**

Here she is in a fancy restaurant on top of Roppongi Hills Mori Tower in Tokyo.

She's quite a big Kilkrazy now. This summer she grew taller than her mother.

**Jihadnik**

Aww, look at that, she looks just like you!

**Emperors Faithful**

As most have already said, it's a decent idea. I don't really have anything to add except that the worries regarding disabled children are hopefully unfounded.

Gwar! wrote:Never understood the opposition to brestfeeding. It's natural, it's healthy and I am sure as hell not gonna complain if someone wants to get their baps out in public!

I say, good sir, I must heartily agree.

**Gorgeous Gary Golden**

Many thumbs up for that restaurant. I don't have a problem with kids making any sound, but when you have those parents that let their kids run rampant, screaming and flying down the walkways, you always wish you could just get up and say something, as do most of the other patrons around likely.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Sorry did I miss something?
Running amok?
Do kids lterally run around restraunts?

Smack the parents and send them to bed without any supper.

Just a thought, isn't part of the problem the fast food joint where less formal behaviour is tolerated? Which is fine, but there is no adapting to the needs of a restraunt where a different code of behaviour is required.

That is not meant to absolve parents of their responsibilities or blaming fast food joints.

**helgrenze**

Chibi... It depends on the type of restaurant. Fast food and buffets can seem like playgrounds at times, even though most places require the parent accompany the child at the counters.
Any other type of "sit down" restaurant the kids get antsy waiting for food or just haven't been told how to behave and act like they would at home, or worse, since mommy and daddy don't correct them. And the parents also have to be careful just how they discipline their child because the child abuse police are everywhere.

**Kilkrazy**

Paper and crayons keep children quietly occupied while they wait for their meal.

The better mid-class chain restaurants, for example Carluccio's and Cafe Rouge in the UK, provide these as part of their child meal service.

**mattyrm**

Kids piss me off man...

I hate it when people bring them into pubs. I suppose restaruants is alright, but not pubs. They should put a cage outside for the little bastards!

**BluntmanDC**

I come from a big family of 6 kids, while i was growing up when we used to walk in to restaurants we would get 'oh dear lord' looks from everyone, but by the end of the meal we would get at least one (usually an elderly couple) 'oh they are so well behaved. Why, its simply, we were raised to behave in public and if we didn't we would be punished (one year my mum banned us from reseaving easter eggs). I work in a restaurant and the number of parents who think its fine for a child to shout and scream because they are 'expressing themselves' is rediculous.

its the same thing with parents thinking they can use games workshop shops as day care centre while they go of round town.

i grew up knowing that if i messed about while round the village, my mum would find out, cos everyone knew each other. we knoww live in an age were new parents think they know everything and if you tell their child off, you are on the same level as a pedo

**helgrenze**

BluntmanDC wrote:I come from a big family of 6 kids, while i was growing up when we used to walk in to restaurants we would get 'oh dear lord' looks from everyone, but by the end of the meal we would get at least one (usually an elderly couple) 'oh they are so well behaved. Why, its simply, we were raised to behave in public and if we didn't we would be punished
i grew up knowing that if i messed about while round the village, my mum would find out, cos everyone knew each other. we knoww live in an age were new parents think they know everything and if you tell their child off, you are on the same level as a pedo

^^ This.... My family was 9 kids, but same story. Behave in public or else. I personally could get loud enough to be heard across a crowded gymnasium, if I wanted to be. But in a restaurant or other such place it was Church Behavior. Even in the heyday of my punked out, feth the establishment, pissed off at the world teen years, come sunday, or a family outing, it was 'yes ma'am, please, and thank you' across the board. Hell, even today I try to be polite when eating out and such. Its called learned behaviors for a reason.
Parents that let their kids misbehave in public are just teaching them that its ok for them to act that way.

I cannot believe some people want to make this about Autism. (BTW it isn't "Some parents".. its ONE Parent who just happens to have an autistic child.)
The sign says “Sceaming children”. That means ANY “Screaming children”, not just ones with certain disabilities. Lack of self discipline or control, lack of RESPECT for others, are NOT disabilities, just bad behavior.
Its bad enough that people yell into their cell phones in restaurants, add a busy lunch or dinner and someones child screaming for whatever reason and it becomes a nightmare for the staff….
But who cares about the people preparing your meal, the people bringing your food and drinks, the people that have to deal with You and your out of control child.. right? I mean, its not like they have rights, they are just there to serve you food and drinks and smile when some over shrill child pitches a tantrum and starts throwing food around while mommy and daddy just sit there and look embarrassed acting like its not happening.
Think that doesn’t happen, Pay more attention next time you are out.

**SilverMK2**

Yesterday a woman came and complained that the plug sockets in the waiting room did not have any covers on them and her child was sticking his fingers in the sockets. After looking at her in stupefaction for a few moments I told her that I would see what I could do.

I wanted to stick a sign over them which read "Warning: Natural selection in progress" but we eventually just stuck some tape over them.

The woman continued to mutter complaints while we were doing this and for the 10-15 minutes in total that she was waiting to go into the clinic rooms.

None of us could understand why she a) had not taught her child that sticking your fingers in plugs is a bad idea or b) she could not simply stop her child from doing something so stupid by, for example, keeping him away from the plug sockets (holding him on her knee, keeping him in the area with the toys, etc).

Stupid woman. Never had a problem over the plugs in 2 years working there

Edit: To which I mean to comment on the fact that it is not really children's fault for being unable to exist in society. If you don't teach them, they can't be expected to know how to behave.