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This is a new army I've just started. I need some constructive criticism.

HQ:

Inquisitor Lord
Artificer armour
Psychic Hood
Hammerhand
Holocaust
2x Familiar
2x Acolyte (w/ artificer armour)
3x Warrior (w/ meltas)
Sage
Mystic
Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
509pts.

Brother Captain Stern
Retinue- 5 Terminators
Psycannon
396pts.

Elites:

Vindicare Assassin: 110pts.

Troops:

9 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
295pts.

7 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
250pts.

10 Storm Troopers
Veteran
2x Melta
Rhino
180pts.

Heavy Support:

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

2499pts.

One thing I'm not sure about is whether the Inquisitor's LR counts as one of the three Heavy Support choices. If so, I'll replace one of them with another squad of Grey Knights.

1. Drop the Lord. he's garbage. Such a huge point sink you won't get anything out of him. Not a bash, just not a good unit.

2. Stern is good and is the only Hero worth using a retinue with as you can't upgrade his equipment, though you lose the ability for a 2nd psycannon which after many many games of playing both ways, I have dropped the retinue so I can add another psycannon. It just works better.

3. PAGKs should NEVER run incinerators unless you know you are facing daemons. You are a shooting army first, not assault. Psycannons are a MUST upgrade. Use your 24" and 36" ranges to pelt your enemy from afar. Then if they get close you finish them off in assault. Most mobs won't make it.


With 500pts saved from the Lord, I'd look at running a BC and more terminators w/ 3 psycannons (no retinue), hammerhand, with 4 terminators in an elite slot.

Drop your Stern Retinue to 4 terminators. Points now to buy an elite inquisitor w/ psycannon and power armor so you can keep your assassin, and your inquisitor can attach to a PAGK squad and fire yet another psycannon.

The last 100pts upgrade your incinerators to psycannons.

The lords raider is considered as a dedicated transport, hes the only one who can take it as one. but i completley agree with Flyinmiata1

CommissarCandlestick wrote:This is a new army I've just started. I need some constructive criticism.

HQ:

Inquisitor Lord
Artificer armour
Psychic Hood
Hammerhand
Holocaust
2x Familiar
2x Acolyte (w/ artificer armour)
3x Warrior (w/ meltas)
Sage
Mystic
Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
509pts.
no take the inquisitor with psycannon artificer armour and icon of the just no familiar no psychihc powers 3 gun servitors 2 HB 1 PC 2Xmystics 1 sage no raider
Brother Captain Stern
Retinue- 5 Terminators
Psycannon
396pts.
stern is a no no take a GM with pscannon
Elites:

Vindicare Assassin: 110pts.
decent but not the best he will not make his points back
Troops:

9 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
295pts.
psycannon>incinerator. put incinerators in jump squads
7 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
250pts.
see above
10 Storm Troopers
Veteran
2x Melta
Rhino
180pts.
nope. take 2 units of 5 with melta guns and rhinos
Heavy Support:

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.
these are all fine
2499pts.

One thing I'm not sure about is whether the Inquisitor's LR counts as one of the three Heavy Support choices. If so, I'll replace one of them with another squad of Grey Knights.

lukesdabest wrote:

CommissarCandlestick wrote:This is a new army I've just started. I need some constructive criticism.

HQ:

Inquisitor Lord
Artificer armour
Psychic Hood
Hammerhand
Holocaust
2x Familiar
2x Acolyte (w/ artificer armour)
3x Warrior (w/ meltas)
Sage
Mystic
Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
509pts.
no take the inquisitor with psycannon artificer armour and icon of the just no familiar no psychihc powers 3 gun servitors 2 HB 1 PC 2Xmystics 1 sage no raider
Brother Captain Stern
Retinue- 5 Terminators
Psycannon
396pts.
stern is a no no take a GM with pscannon
Elites:

Vindicare Assassin: 110pts.
decent but not the best he will not make his points back
Troops:

9 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
295pts.
psycannon>incinerator. put incinerators in jump squads
7 Grey Knights + Justicar
2x Incinerator
250pts.
see above
10 Storm Troopers
Veteran
2x Melta
Rhino
180pts.
nope. take 2 units of 5 with melta guns and rhinos
Heavy Support:

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

Land Raider
Smoke Launchers
253pts.
these are all fine
2499pts.

One thing I'm not sure about is whether the Inquisitor's LR counts as one of the three Heavy Support choices. If so, I'll replace one of them with another squad of Grey Knights.

Thanks for these tips, I'll take them on board and post a revised list soon.

Incinerators are amazing...especially when youre running a triple land raider list...you'll get much more for your points with them.

Stern is a yes yes...once again youre in a LR and our terminators eat other terminators or whatever else they run into...having a free hammerhand and holocaust is pure win.

Vindicare...debatable if he makes his points back...you kill a nob and now orks can't touch your LR's...sure...he only killed 40 points or so but he just greatly affected the game. Just make use of his ability to snipe out whichever singular models you need gone in certain squads.


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The trooper rhinos need smoke too.

i used my vindacare at first then i started using a callidus assasin she easily makes her points back

OK, here's my new list. Thanks for all the help!

HQ:

Brother-Captain Stern
Retinue of 5 Termies
Psycannon
396pts.

Elites:

Inquisitor
Artificer Armour
2x Gun Servitor, 1 w/ HB, 1 w/ PC
1x Veteran w/ melta
Sage
Mystic
131

Callidus Assassin: 120pts.

Troops:

9 GK+ Justicar
2x Psycannon
325pts.

9 GK+ Justicar
2x Psycannon
325pts.

6 Storm Troopers
Veteran
2x Melta
Rhino
Smoke Launchers
140pts.

5 Storm Troopers
Veteran
2x Melta
Rhino
Smoke Launchers
130pts.

Fast Attack:

4 Grey Knights +Justicar
2x Incinerator
170pts.

Heavy Support:

LR
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

LR
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

LR
Smoke Launchers
253pts.

2496pts.

You need 2 mystics...for the anti deepstrike ability as well.

You dont need veteran stormtroopers.

I am not a fan of teleport attack GKs and I would just make them a normal squad without special weapons...more guys!

Not bad though

Too many points spent on land raiders. Only get 1 or 2 and get rhinos to replace them.

Lokirfellheart wrote:Too many points spent on land raiders. Only get 1 or 2 and get rhinos to replace them.

One Landraider at 2500 pts? What will he use in exchange? Where is his anti-tank going to come from? Where would you suggest he put the rhinos? GK can't take dedicated transports. I'm not aware of any other way to put rhinos in this list beyond what's already there. I guess the inquisitor could have a rhino, but then again, if anything, I'd not waste 50 points on him to have one.

My suggestion:

- Consider reworking the inquisitor retinue. You give your Inquisitor BS 5, yet he doesn't have anything worth shooting. You have one Mystic, which means you get to shoot that squad at something deepstriking, but one of your things in that squad is short range. The other two can't fire on the move, which is when you'd use the melta. It seems like you're overextending what you want to use him for. My advice is to get rid of the sage and the warriors, and give him another mystic. Alternatively, give him three warriors with either heavy bolters, or meltas, and then run with that as appropriate.
- Drop IST to min size, lose vets (as ductvader said)
- Offload one of the land raiders into your inquisitor's dedicated transport position.
- Find points for a lascannon dreadnought.
- Other people have spoken about the FA GKs. I see their uses, but I'm not convinced they're worth it. I'd either make them a regular squad, or at least toughen them up beyond min size. If you do everything above I recommend other than add the dreadnought, you should have enough points to make them max size and still have 22 left over.