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Originally I was planning to have 3 kans in my army with grotzookas, but are they the best weapon for kans? Are rokkits a better option because of the added BS that the kans have. I already have 3 koptas with TL rokkits, is it worth trading some grotzookas for rokkits?

We would have to know the following before giving you any meaningful input...

What point limit are you playing at?
What is the theme of your orks? (A list would be nice)

I would have to say that rokkits are good as it is the few ranged, reliable S8 that we have.

Grotzookas are usually taken when you have 6 other kans with rokkits, 6 buggies with rokkits, and a deffkopta team with a buzz saw. The purpose of the Grot Zooka is to wipe infantry that you cannot deal with in HTH...

Zookas are good but make sure you have plenty of other anti tank. if not, all rokkits is very useful.

the rokkits are good on kans cause of BS 3. These will be one of your best anti tank units. If youre going against hordes then the zooka is money. Big shootas are unnessesary since boyz can take 3 per unit. Flamers are no good since your kans "good" BS skill will be wasted with a weapon that dosnt require one.

Hard to say without your full list really.

but, if you lack anti-tank then take rokkitz.
If you lack anti-infantry take the zookas.

I run 3 Kanz with Grotzookas and they are very useful. I too have Koptas with TL Rokkits, so I don't feel like I need to equip rokkits to the Kanz.

I actually just got done with a 1500pt game about 30 mins ago, and my Kanz put the hurt on my friends plague marines, which are always a pain to take out.

I find the points cost for rokkits to be too great. Leaving the kans with just shootas keeps them incredibly cheap, and that's where they're at their most useful - being a disposable unit that can provide some nuisance shooting before charging a unit unable to threaten AV11.

Even with BS3 they're not going to be that reliable at taking out armour. In fact, I rarely bother with rokkits for AT, with the short range I find I can get stormboyz, bikez, flanking koptas and the like to assault as quickly as I can get rokkits in range, and the powerklaws and buzzsaws are a lot more deadly.

I find spamming with Orks really doesn't work for them. So Kanwalls, Battlewagon spam, Green tide...it leads to an unbalanced army. Ironically, I'd say they work best as a combined arms force; one of the basic unit combos I am a fan of is Lootas/Buggies/Kans.

Buggies provide anti-tank, but most importantly, they provide expendable cover, movement-blocking, and a cheap anti-assault screen. Against Tyranids, or other armies with big assault units, trying to assault a Buggy unit is stupid; even if you do kill it (6s to hit=good luck), you don't get the consolidate, and are blast fodder.

Lootas provide the real anti-tank. But they're vulnerable, and firing them at infantry when they could be popping transports, is a waste.

That's where the Kans come in. Whenever the Lootas pop a transport, or enemies attempt to assault the Buggies, they're prime blast-fodder. I like to capitalize on that. To a lesser extent, they also help keep enemy assault transports honest. Should no real targets of worth come to play, they Run, looking to threaten enemy vehicles; Kans are pretty underwhelming against assault units, but provided you can prevent enemy vehicles from disengaging, they make good demolition units.

MagicJuggler wrote:I find spamming with Orks really doesn't work for them. So Kanwalls, Battlewagon spam, Green tide...it leads to an unbalanced army. Ironically, I'd say they work best as a combined arms force; one of the basic unit combos I am a fan of is Lootas/Buggies/Kans.

Buggies provide anti-tank, but most importantly, they provide expendable cover, movement-blocking, and a cheap anti-assault screen. Against Tyranids, or other armies with big assault units, trying to assault a Buggy unit is stupid; even if you do kill it (6s to hit=good luck), you don't get the consolidate, and are blast fodder.

Lootas provide the real anti-tank. But they're vulnerable, and firing them at infantry when they could be popping transports, is a waste.

That's where the Kans come in. Whenever the Lootas pop a transport, or enemies attempt to assault the Buggies, they're prime blast-fodder. I like to capitalize on that. To a lesser extent, they also help keep enemy assault transports honest. Should no real targets of worth come to play, they Run, looking to threaten enemy vehicles; Kans are pretty underwhelming against assault units, but provided you can prevent enemy vehicles from disengaging, they make good demolition units.

Don't let Dash hear you saying that.....

Personally, I disagree as well. I've had much more success spamming Trukks than have a couple Battlewagons run around my horde.

On topic, 6 Rokkits 3 'zookas in a Kan Wall list.

EDIT: Back on topic.

Also, I run Kans in support of Battlewagons, hence some additional difference in opinion. They oddly enough are decent at complementing each other, the Kans providing an additional countercharge/anti-assault screen for the Wagons (that last part is nice vs meltabomb Guard, believe me. ), the Wagons helping block line of fire to the Kans, or tank-shocking enemies into "Please Grotzooka me" formation.

Here are more details. Limit is 1000-1250 points. Play a mainly infantry army, nobz, boys, lootas, kommandos, not many. One Battlewagon and one trukk. My main idea with using kans is that koptas assault, then Hit and run a unit that is conveniently packed close together, and boom boom they die.

Claypool wrote: On topic, 6 Rokkits 3 'zookas in a Kan Wall list.

+1

Working towards this myself, seems to be the best way to configure your Kans!

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:If you lack anti-infantry take the zookas.

It's an ork army. It's impossible to lack anti-infantry.

oadie wrote:

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:If you lack anti-infantry take the zookas.

It's an ork army. It's impossible to lack anti-infantry.

Its possible to lack some good anti MEQ shooting. wound them on a +2 and possible to hit an entire tac squad with 3 zookas is very good

the ratio should be 1 zooka for every 2 rokkits unless you are very anti infantry/tank heavy.

stompydakka wrote:the ratio should be 1 zooka for every 2 rokkits unless you are very anti infantry/tank heavy.

Pretty much this... but having 1 squad with 2 rokkits and 1 zooka is not recommended as there is no split fire.

yep... if you run 3x3 kans have 1 squad be zookas and others be rokkits

i would run rokkits.

if you have the points you can upgrade the Rokkits to KMBs. same range and Str, but better AP and you are immune to Gets hot.

Grey Templar wrote:i would run rokkits.

if you have the points you can upgrade the Rokkits to KMBs. same range and Str, but better AP and you are immune to Gets hot.

With the abundance of cover, I really don't see much point in KMB's versus Rokkits. Sure, you're making Termies take 4++ instead of 2+, but I'd rather put my points in more boyz.

As I said before, 2x3 Rokkits and 3 Grotzookas will always be my loadout of choice.

I run three units of kans and 2 dreads in my kan wall list. 1 kan unit of zookas, 1 of rokkits, 1 of KMBs, and two all CCW dreads that run like hell towards the enemy.

I find the KMBs are great to take out termies and soften up characters, like mephiston. The AP makes all the difference and is something that orks usually sorely lack.

-Tyr

no KMBs, unless you know you are playing against deathwing. theres only so much you can do with a ap 2 instead of three. its not like its ap 1, and anyway its 5 pts more.

Claypool wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:i would run rokkits.

if you have the points you can upgrade the Rokkits to KMBs. same range and Str, but better AP and you are immune to Gets hot.

With the abundance of cover, I really don't see much point in KMB's versus Rokkits. Sure, you're making Termies take 4++ instead of 2+, but I'd rather put my points in more boyz.

As I said before, 2x3 Rokkits and 3 Grotzookas will always be my loadout of choice.

termies have 5++(unless they are Hammer bros)

Grey Templar wrote:

Claypool wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:i would run rokkits.

if you have the points you can upgrade the Rokkits to KMBs. same range and Str, but better AP and you are immune to Gets hot.

With the abundance of cover, I really don't see much point in KMB's versus Rokkits. Sure, you're making Termies take 4++ instead of 2+, but I'd rather put my points in more boyz.

As I said before, 2x3 Rokkits and 3 Grotzookas will always be my loadout of choice.

termies have 5++(unless they are Hammer bros)

I was referring to their cover save.