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The main example of this is Usakar E Creed, he has 2 Hot Shot Laspistols, but is he able to fire both, or does he just get one Twinlinked Hot Shot Laspistol. I ask this question because I may be making an Inquisitor who dual weilds some plasma pistols or something.

Unless a character has a rule that specifically allow them to fire two weapons (specific weapons or otherwise), then a character/model may only fire one weapon per shooting phase.

They do count as two CCW, though.

Check your character's special rules closesly for the answer to a specific question. Normal HQ models usually do not benefit from dual-pistols.

Creed gets one normal shot (not twin-linked).

The only units allowed to fire multiple weapons in a turn (barring specific special rules) are monstrous creatures and vehicles.

Much obliged, thank you

though it would seem strange that they offer two laspistols to his character, but it makes sense, I don't see creed as ever actually using his pistols, if your a good commander...

Shouldn't creed, being a general usually be kept in a chimera?

Scott: Creed is special, so he fires his pistols as a single twinlinked shot. However this only goes for him (And seraphim).

is this a real rule?

Cause, that is a fking awesome idea.

Oscarius wrote:Scott: Creed is special, so he fires his pistols as a single twinlinked shot. However this only goes for him (And seraphim).

Ummm, page ref. please?

p. 91.

Well what do you know, Creed's army list entry says he can fire them as a single twin linked hot shot las pistol. Pg. 91

Ahehe, well this is awkward... my bad It was just the way you put it across 'Creed is special', however, had it been 'Creed has a special rule', I wouldn't be feeling like such an idiot Ahh well, I suppose I should get back to whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing...

Oscarius wrote:Scott: Creed is special, so he fires his pistols as a single twinlinked shot. However this only goes for him (And seraphim).

Well spotted.

Why this is in his wargear and not in his special rules I've no idea.

IIRC, he and WH Seraphim are the only units in the game with two pistols that fire as a single twin-linked pistol. I might be missing something, but those are the only two I remember.

But under normal circumstances (e.g. it doesn't specifically say you can fire two pistols as one twin-linked pistol), any model with two pistols can only fire one of them at a time.

As a modelling project you could give a model 2 pistols but clarify with your opponent before a game what it counts as (say, as if you bought a plasma gun for your model).

That, or like how I have a BA Sargent with two bolt pistols. One is his bolt pistol, the other 'counts as CC' weapon.

But I always clarify this with my opponent before the game.

There is zero functional difference between pistol+ccw and pistol+pistol. (except for creed and seraphim)

Woah woah woah, dont forget cypher
However, he is somewhat mute now the codex got updated and he is no longer there :(

OT: +1 to the above post really.
Model wise it looks pretty decent, but it can be overdone and look a bit out of place.

Actually, in the Blood Angels codex, I think you can often replace either your BP or CCW with a Infernus or Handflamer- since there's no difference in HtH, it's advantageous to switch out the CCW and keep the BP for times you're out of 6" but inside 12". A very minor advantage, but, hey- John Woo marines.

kartofelkopf wrote:Actually, in the Blood Angels codex, I think you can often replace either your BP or CCW with a Infernus or Handflamer- since there's no difference in HtH, it's advantageous to switch out the CCW and keep the BP for times you're out of 6" but inside 12". A very minor advantage, but, hey- John Woo marines.

But even so, you can only fire one or the other, never both.

Hence my mention of being out of range for the other.

...er, then what was the point of the post?

There are numerous examples of being able to replace a CCW with a second pistol. Blood Angels are no exception, but they're only one of many.

Actually, it's relatively uncommon for a model to have two pistols- and I think BA are unique in that non-SGT/non-IC can have access to the option for two pistols.

But, the point was to illustrate an advantage of two pistols even if you're unable to fire them both.

What was the point of your post?

His point is that if you give the Sgt a bolt pistol AND an infernus pistol, you can choose to shoot the bolt pistol if you are not in range of the infernus pistol. However, I would prefer to take a PW or PF over an extra pistol.

kartofelkopf wrote:Actually, it's relatively uncommon for a model to have two pistols- and I think BA are unique in that non-SGT/non-IC can have access to the option for two pistols.

Being able to take two pistols is really common, people just don't do it often. Most models who can take a plasma pistol can replace either a rapid fire weapon or a CCW instead of their other pistol. BAs are far from unique, vanilla marine assault squads and vanguard vets can have a regular guy with both a bolt and plasma pistol and I'm sure they're not the only ones.

I love how my custom Cyper came out. And by the way he's be out of codex for the two most recent codex. So I us the model that I made as a SGT for my Space Marines. It gives me options as to what I want him packing as a team leader.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/131030-Bolt%20Pistol%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Custom%2C%20Cyper%2C%20Plasma%20Pistol%2C%20Power%20Weapon%2C%20Sgt.html

Scott-S6 wrote:There is zero functional difference between pistol+ccw and pistol+pistol. (except for creed and seraphim)

True, but it's not all about the rules and the game, y'know.

What about the aesthetics and modelling side to having your uniquely crafted miniatures?

PrometheusZero wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:There is zero functional difference between pistol+ccw and pistol+pistol. (except for creed and seraphim)

True, but it's not all about the rules and the game, y'know.

What about the aesthetics and modelling side to having your uniquely crafted miniatures?

I think that's his point.

You can do it because there's no difference between two pistols and a pistol and CCW, so if you think it looks cool, go for it! You are neither giving yourself an advantage nor breaking the rules, so there's no reason whatsoever for anyone to object. Unless they just don't like your models.

Yep, anyone who bitches about your twin-pistol conversion is complaining over nothing since it functions 100% the same as pistol+ccw.




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۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Woah woah woah, dont forget cypher

GW seem to have done exactly that.

Scott-S6 wrote:Yep, anyone who bitches about your twin-pistol conversion is complaining over nothing since it functions 100% the same as pistol+ccw.

And, if they do, just say that one of those is a pistol, and the other is a CCW that is pistol-shaped.

Huh.

Now I have a strange urge to build a unit of pistol-whipping Assault Marines.

If you want the "Twin-Linked" Option for your Inquisiter, just make it a Mastercraft Weapon and it will have the same effect duting Shooing and if you have a 2nd Pistol/CCW that will give you the +1 Attack [But it will not be counted as a Masterwork]