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Is this something I missed, or has just nothing been announced? Any clue what the Points values will be? I figure a nine month lead time to paint up an army is decent, but it is tricky to get started on something fresh without any direction to go on.

That 'Throne of Skulls' thing wasn't the Vegas GT format, was it?

Full details have not come out yet, but I am guessing it will be very similar to the UK version.

Vegas 2011 - Throne of Skulls
2000 points for Warhammer
1500 points for 40K
750 points for LOTR

The last information is that it would be the Throne of Skulls exactly the same as in the UK.

Ironman XVIII (40k Januasy 15) and Golden Snotling (Fantasy March 12) in Vegas will use the same format.

Yeah, 1500 for 40K? Stupidity!

It may be stupid, but it means a lot less painting!

1500 is for limeys and sissies!

I actually like 1500 points these days. I used to always try to play larger games but the smaller ones I find are much more challenging because I can't just take a steamroller list. And 2000 is a whole lot better for Fantasy battles.

grumbles... throne of skulls is a hobby day... so yea... you won a ticket into a hobby day....

The problems and reasons i wouldn't attend are
1) the random pairings every round...
2) The "reach around" favorite army format...
3) the winner is determined by how well everyone with the same army as you did... and the mathematical formula for it doesn't even make sense if you are the ONLY one to bring a specific army...

truly fail...

The people i've met who are going to the Big GTs want competition... Not a glorified gamesday mega battle..

Random pairings will most likely be random between people with the same record. I can't imagine they wouldn't do this as it's a simple button click to do it. Favorite army format does suck but there isn't any comp or actual sportsmanship scores. And lastly most the people I know that have won a ticket will probably head there. Remember more than a few of the tickets given out already were for pretty non-competitive formats.

It'll be a fun weekend with gambling and drinking after gaming. It'll still be fun I'm looking forward to it. Plus it's a chance to meet other players who do well around the country which will be fun too.

Hulksmash wrote:Random pairings will most likely be random between people with the same record. I can't imagine they wouldn't do this as it's a simple button click to do it. Favorite army format does suck but there isn't any comp or actual sportsmanship scores. And lastly most the people I know that have won a ticket will probably head there. Remember more than a few of the tickets given out already were for pretty non-competitive formats.

It'll be a fun weekend with gambling and drinking after gaming. It'll still be fun I'm looking forward to it. Plus it's a chance to meet other players who do well around the country which will be fun too.

: ) I said I wouldn't go... There are plenty of people going simply for the trip to vegas with 40k as an added activity...

But I don't have a huge disposable income for gambling... or the stomach for it. That goes second for the drinking... but I do have the stomach for that

Hrm.....if it *does* copy the Throne of Skulls format, might have to count me out as well. I don't really have much interest in flying across the country for that kind of....well, whatever kind of event it is.

Yes, god forbid people just go and play some games for fun. Not to mention that, if it was completely wack, there's nothing else to do in Las Vegas.

Monster Rain wrote:Yes, god forbid people just go and play some games for fun. Not to mention that, if it was completely wack, there's nothing else to do in Las Vegas.

No reason to be nasty. We are just expressing our personal opinions.

The FAQ for the tournament states that you will be randomly paired with people with similar win loss ratios.

Dashofpepper wrote:Hrm.....if it *does* copy the Throne of Skulls format, might have to count me out as well. I don't really have much interest in flying across the country for that kind of....well, whatever kind of event it is.

What's so hard to figure out Dash? It's a DRINKING event!

I'm working on a training regime to get my alcohol tolerance back up to at least 50% of my college level. Drinking with Spettigue at Games Day showed me just how much I lost as I progress into my golden years.

I'm looking forward to it. It should be a lot of fun

Spettigue doesn't count. The man is 90% alcohol already so for him it's like drinking water.......

vhwolf wrote:The FAQ for the tournament states that you will be randomly paired with people with similar win loss ratios.

Well this is a bit better : )

But unless events start putting up airfare also... its a huge investment.

Did any events have Airfare?

Have any events said they were paying for the GT ticket??

frgsinwntr wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Yes, god forbid people just go and play some games for fun. Not to mention that, if it was completely wack, there's nothing else to do in Las Vegas.

No reason to be nasty. We are just expressing our personal opinions.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound nasty.

I'll be a little more more liberal with the Orkmoticons next time. My bad.

Still, why not view is as a chance to get in a bit of relaxed gaming with some of the best players in the country?

Monster Rain:

I don't get it though, are you getting relaxing gaming in, or are you playing in a tournament against some of the best players in the country? Many would be flying and paying quite a bit to do that.

Keep in mind that they are calling this thing the 'Throne of Skulls', not something like 'Pony and Kittens Singalong'.

Oh really?

Are you sure it's not called the Pony and Kitten singalong?

Exclusive events in Vegas are overrated anyway.

Monster Rain wrote:

Still, why not view is as a chance to get in a bit of relaxed gaming with some of the best players in the country?

When I want a chill-out game with Hulksmash, we get on Vassal, call each other up on Skype and have a game from the comfort of our respective homes. If I want some friendly games, I can get them at a tournament or not at a tournament. If I want to stake myself against the best of the best - I travel to a competitive tournament, which this apparently is not. I don't need to fly to Las Vegas to drink or




Las Vegas itself - the last time I was there was for Defcon 2005; I was a keynote speaker for ground zero exploits; Thursday through Sunday. I even got a "I am the Fed" T-shirt from the "Spot the Fed" game. Damned socks and sandals game me away. Lets see....my preferred game is roulette. I play a losing progression on black and red, and I always follow the house.

I brought $500 to gamble with. Thursday night I was at one of the casinos with the other faculty in attendance from West Point. I lost my $500 in short order; table never went two of the same color before I hit my cap. i went to the ATM and got out $1000 (losing progression right?) I went back to the roulette table and said to the lady on my right, "Ma'am, black or red?" She says, "Black!" The dealer spins, and I put $1000 on black...and boom; I've got $2,000. Between events at Defcon and during the evenings, I play my losing progression and pick up another $8,000. It works, but its boring, and more like work than gambling. You could put a robot there and have them do it for you. =p

At any rate, Sunday morning rolls around - I've spent about $5,000 dollars; got my girlfriend at the time some nice stuff, bought some furniture to have shipped home, some other stuff....I've got $5,000 left and decide to hit up the Hard Rock Casino before we go to the airport. Instead of starting at $10, I drop $1,000 on the table on red - table rolls black. $2,000 on black, and the table goes red. only have $2,000 left so I drop that on red too - and then I'm broke. Awww. :(

No need to repeat my addiction there. =p The system only breaks down when you get greedy - and its *very* hard not to step out and take some risks - that's the whole thrill of gambling in the first place!

Yeah, so terrible that Americans will be forced to play 1500 the level at which the game designers play tested and designed for. Want some proof check out my articles about the matter...

http://bloodofkittens.com/category/in-defense-of-1500/

http://bloodofkittens.com/2010/07/21/meat-for-meta-the-truth-behind-gw-playtesting

Tasty, You articles are a bunch of opinion based rants. Everyone can do that. Here's mine

I'll concede that 3rd Edition/early 4th were the 1,500pt era. GW stated it back then.

But current codexes (BA's, Nids and IG/SW's to an extent) are extremely more flexible and fluid at 2k. There are quite a few builds in the Tyrannid book (read almost all good ones) that require 2k to pull off. Not to mention that rock/paper/scissor is a lot more likely at 1,500 because you simply can't build an army to be as all purpose without the extra points. Making the game far more about match-up's than it is at higher point values. Personally from extensive play experience I have to say that the medium of 40k has shifted closer to 1,850/2k with games breaking down faster the farther you move from them.

Enjoy having your head in the sand and not realizing the game has changed. It HAD to so that GW could keep increasing profits. Next I bet you'll say that Fantasy should still be played at 2k cause that's what they used to playtest it at way back when....

If GW did not think the game was meant for 1500 they would not have decided to make the tournament 1500 points. I will say the game plays different at 1500 than 2000 you have to be able to use your chosen army better when you can't put everything in it.

lol@tastytaste using his own blog as a reference to support his argument.

So then the game in 3rd and 4th edition here in the US was meant to be played at 1750-1850 depending on the year cause that's what GW made the tournament points at? Sorry Vhwolf, that arguement doesn't really fly.

I play in a 1,500pt tournament every month to month an a half in a non-comp and non-sport tournament that is based purely on win/loss record. It's a 4 game tournament that is a good time. But I see more variety at 2k. It's not about using your army better. It's hoping you get the right match-ups. Bascially 1850-2k is tactical, 1.5k is closer to rock/paper/scissor.

Poor Americans having trouble wrapping your head around 1500? Well, at 2000 list design consists of "How many [insert IG/space wolf vehicle] can I have"?

olympia wrote:Poor Americans having trouble wrapping your head around 1500? Well, at 2000 list design consists of "How many [insert IG/space wolf vehicle] can I have"?

Quoted for being the sad, sad truth.