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O K, so my new IG army is ordered and should be here soon and i am exited as hell (if only pig iron wasn't so darn slow). For later inprovments/additions I have been thinking of many things but my main idea was to someday have a baneblade/stormsword (the super heavy tanks you can get in those kits simply). However before I start saving and searching the web I need practicalities. There is nothing rules wise in the codex and I am not a fan of spending £30 on some apocolipse book. + I hate apocolipse battles long and tiresome with too many rules, if there wernt enough allready lol. So does anyone have or know about rules for the SHV's in normal games? Cheers

You can use them in spearhead games since super heavies is one of the options presented.

The newer IA rules have some allowances also, but I doubt that will be cheaper than Apocalypse.

Games could be faster though.

Not really normal 40k games in any case.

Well technically you can't use super heavies in normal games as they aren't in the codex. Its up to your opponent to agree to fight one, unless you are playing Spearhead as stated, then you can take 1 as a formation. If you wanted to use one though you'd have to get the IA/Apoc book as we can't give out rules here.

Hmm ok thanks. I will get my hands on some rules and se if it's worth it. I guess I could ask my opponent "u wana fight a huge tank for ..... Points?"

He might agree the first time. The poor, poor fool.
Chances are that your model won't get much table time thereafter.
They are a bit too powerful for anything less than 2000k.

lol. My m8 has a great 40k army, its about 30k points. He has cardboard cut outs that he just plays with as if they are "counters". Genious idea but he has not once made a proper figure XD. If I use his idea i wont be w8sting £60

TheGiantPeanut wrote:lol. My m8 has a great 40k army, its about 30k points. He has cardboard cut outs that he just plays with as if they are "counters". Genious idea but he has not once made a proper figure XD. If I use his idea i wont be w8sting £60

Jeez, so this isn't just an American thing, huh?

First of all, how much time did you save by typing "m8" versus "mate?"

Second, what the hell does "weightsting" mean? There's only one T in "wasting."

Hmm agreed, i never was good at spelling XD sorry if my lack of education was a great offence to you.

he just waving his e-penis as usual

Devastator wrote:he just waving his e-penis as usual

You forgot to capitalise the sentence and also forgot to have a Period at the end of it to mark the termination of the aforementioned sentence.

@TheGiantPeanut: Please familiarise yourself with the Forum Rules, which state:

Please remember that posting and reading online is a visual format and as such the spelling, grammar and look of your posts is the only way others understand what you are saying. Therefore, in order to be polite, all users are expected to make an effort to use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation and should refrain from using internet shorthand or other distracting methods of writing, such as writing a post completely bolded, with capital letters, in a strange color, etc.

Now, everyone play nice or the Weiner Dogs will eat you!

Ok. Sorry for all that. But whilst typing on ipod its hard to avoid mistakes

TheGiantPeanut wrote:Hmm agreed, i never was good at spelling XD sorry if my lack of education was a great offence to you.

I never said I was offended.

But you want to be taken seriously by the world, right? As far as I know, most people do. So avoid the shorthand. A little bit of effort goes a very long way!

Only Gwar! is allowed to make mistakes in spelling and grammar, and only when he's drunk.

Imperial Armour 1 update can be downloaded from the forgeworld website (the page for the imperial armour 1 book).

That will give you the rules for the baneblade. However, you will still need to the apocalypse book so that you know the rules for superheavy vehicles, strength D weapons, etc.

Finally ending this spelling trash talk. Thanks for that, I will look it up. I think I can get the apocolapse rules from some mate.

SaintHazard wrote:

TheGiantPeanut wrote:lol. My m8 has a great 40k army, its about 30k points. He has cardboard cut outs that he just plays with as if they are "counters". Genious idea but he has not once made a proper figure XD. If I use his idea i wont be w8sting £60

Jeez, so this isn't just an American thing, huh?

First of all, how much time did you save by typing "m8" versus "mate?"

Second, what the hell does "weightsting" mean? There's only one T in "wasting."

Dude Ive only been on Dakka a month but every post goes like this.

OP ask a question

everyone does there best to help give there opinion or thoughts on the subject

you come and correct grammar

My question is how many hours a day do you spend correcting folks grammar? It just seems to be a waste of time in a informal setting like a forum. If you simply must get your quasi editors fix why dont you go and fix up the godawful grammar in the Fan fiction section (or better yet burn it down)

ps fixing the grammar in this post is not a clever way to reply =)

I think the point over/relating to grammar and spelling has been made now, especially if someone is new then the odd pointer and polite reminder is fine, but there's no need to endlessly go on and on about it. If a post/poster persists then alert the MOds and, once the hangovers and come downs are over, we shall taunt them mercilessly over and over again until their very soul cries for salvation and forgiveness.

Jubear wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

TheGiantPeanut wrote:lol. My m8 has a great 40k army, its about 30k points. He has cardboard cut outs that he just plays with as if they are "counters". Genious idea but he has not once made a proper figure XD. If I use his idea i wont be w8sting £60

Jeez, so this isn't just an American thing, huh?

First of all, how much time did you save by typing "m8" versus "mate?"

Second, what the hell does "weightsting" mean? There's only one T in "wasting."

Dude Ive only been on Dakka a month but every post goes like this; OP ask a question, everyone does there best to help giving their opinion or thoughts on the subject, you come and correct grammar....

My question is. How many hours a day do you spend correcting folk's grammar? It just seems to be a waste of time, in a informal setting like a forum. If you simply must get your quasi-editors fix, why don’t you go and fix up the god awful grammar in the Fan fiction section (or better yet burn it down)?

P.S. Fixing the grammar in this post is not a clever way to reply =)

Hehe you tell him man

You may be able to run a Baneblade with your Opponents premission, but it'll be most of your army in a 2k game and It can be destroyed fairly easy.

To be fair, Yes I have faced one in a 2k game, but it was back in 4th Edition when I played Necrons. Baneblade might not even have the same stats anymore.

Generally you only use them in apoc games since its a little more fitting.
However, it is possible to run a single super heavy in normal games (permission of course is needed)

If the people i play with agree on this then the game is 2,500 points.
Also, if the other player does not have a super heavy, he is allowed to take an extra heavy support choice (for 4 in total)
That usually helps to balance it out a bit.

Failing that, spearhead as mentioned allows you to field one without having to go all out apoc.




As for grammer - Too many people on here are tryhard grammar nazi's.
Just keep away from shorthand, do your best and ignore them mate, nothing else to it

There are IA rules for super heavies in normal 40k games but they are a throwback to pre-apoc days.

Basicly you need your opponents permission and then a single super heavy detatchment counts as a second FOC in entirety. This means you can take up to 3 baneblades/marauders/Hirodules/etc but your opponent is then allowed a whole 2nd army!

Needless to say, points become an issue if you're used to 1500-2k lol.

Hmm, well I need to lookk up a tonn of stuff to understand what you guys are talking about. Maybe get my grubby hands on some rules and do a test game or two before spending £60 on a huge behemoth that takes about a letre of paint. THanks for all the help guys. I would consider this thread closed now,Cheers

There's actually quite a few datasheets for super heavies listed on the GW website. Look under apoc and choose apoc articles. Download the PDFs from them and print out. The stormlord is there as well as many of the different variants.

Jubear wrote:Dude Ive only been on Dakka a month but every post goes like this.

OP ask a question

everyone does there best to help give there opinion or thoughts on the subject

you come and correct grammar

My question is how many hours a day do you spend correcting folks grammar? It just seems to be a waste of time in a informal setting like a forum. If you simply must get your quasi editors fix why dont you go and fix up the godawful grammar in the Fan fiction section (or better yet burn it down)

ps fixing the grammar in this post is not a clever way to reply =)

Actin' tough on the internet.

But honestly, if you're going to criticize my posts for criticizing other peoples' posts, put the Hypocrite Hat on first, so we know you're at least aware of it.

Unless you're not...?

Oh, or you may actually try reading my posts from time to time. That'd be cool too.

I dont really care about your opinion or your one man crusade against bad grammar, But going out of your way to belittle people about there grammar is stupid and a form of bullying in its own right.

If you cant read or hate l33t speak may I suggest canceling your interwebz account? I really dont want to get into a flame war over this as we are all enjoying the same niche hobby and would prolly get on well in real life. How about this I will try to make sure I was always post in the best manner I can and you stop going out of your way to correct folk. I think thats a fair compromise Im in to good a mood to argue today.

There would be less of this nerdrage if people actually READ the board rules, instead of just ticking the box when they agree to the conditions of joining and ignoring them.

Yes, some people have dyslexia, and some don't have English as a first language. l33t speak and txt language are specifically mentioned as being against said rules.

If you make it hard to get your point across, because no-one can make head or tails of your post, then you really aren't helping your cause, now are you?

Jubear wrote:I dont really care about your opinion or your one man crusade against bad grammar, But going out of your way to belittle people about there grammar is stupid and a form of bullying in its own right.

If you cant read or hate l33t speak may I suggest canceling your interwebz account? I really dont want to get into a flame war over this as we are all enjoying the same niche hobby and would prolly get on well in real life. How about this I will try to make sure I was always post in the best manner I can and you stop going out of your way to correct folk. I think thats a fair compromise Im in to good a mood to argue today.

Bad grammar doesn't bug me. internetz shrthand n da purposful shortning of words cuz people dont wanna go to the effort to type out a whole word like "mate" versus saving a whopping two keystrikes by typing "m8..." that's just laziness. Also against forum rules, FYI, but I've been known to thumb my nose at those from time to time myself, so I wouldn't use that as justification.

Also, completely unintelligible posts annoy the crap out of me. and im not talking about people who refuse to use punctuation or capitalization as long as they spell the words properly i can discern meaning, I'm talking about people who can't spell, can't put a proper sentence together, and/or are too lazy to try. That has nothing to do with English being your first language. If you can't spell the word "and," I'm going to have serious doubts about the integrity of your post.

Is my grammar perfect? No. But I try! And that's all I ever ask.

chromedog wrote:There would be less of this nerdrage if people actually READ the board rules, instead of just ticking the box when they agree to the conditions of joining and ignoring them.

Yes, some people have dyslexia, and some don't have English as a first language. l33t speak and txt language are specifically mentioned as being against said rules.

If you make it hard to get your point across, because no-one can make head or tails of your post, then you really aren't helping your cause, now are you?

^ Also, what he said!

But to get back on topic, I've found the best way to include superheavies and similar in 40K is to give a points allowance that can be used to buy warmachines or Apoc formations outside of the FOC.

E.G. 2000 points + 500 for apoc stuff. One guy takes a baneblade, the other takes three tri-las predators in an assassin squadron and it all balances out nicely.

TBH, I find that this kind of arrangement works better for Apoc as well - (e.g. 2 FOCs with 2000 points each and 1000 points for warmachines/formations).

I dont think you CAN use them in normal games mate, its not in the IG codex.

Oh and Man, you lot are proper grammar nazis eh?

Leave the poor lad alone! Im not a big fan of "text speak" personally, especially as they seem to have the habit of not actually making the word any shorter, but jeez.

The internet is where the kids hang out man!

I bet you tough guys wouldnt stop at a bench full of cider swigging hoodies and demand that they make proper use of the queens!

You can't use them in a normal 40K game because they do not fit in a Force Org Chart. (they're warmachines, not heavy support, fast attack, etc)