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Skink Chief, Terradon, Light Armor, AHW, Charmed Shield, Potion of Strength- 116
Skink Priest, Cloak of Feathers, Diadem of Power- 115

9 units of 12 Skinks- 756

7 Terradons- 210 (Skink Chief goes here)
5 units of 8 Terradons- 1200

4 Salamanders- 300
4 Razordons- 300

Total- 2997

I have found a cheap alternate model for a terradon, and was wondering about the viability of this list for fun games (with friends, not in a GW store). I know there are a lot of different builds for the skink chief, I'd like to use the potion of strength if possible! It's tight on points, otherwise I might have given him a few other goodies.

The idea is to deploy the terradons in 4x2 formation, fly forward turn 1, then turn 2 probably fly everything across the enemy line and drop rocks... ideally (I think) going off the back edge of the board. Turn 3, come back on and shoot, and the skinks on foot will get to pepper the enemy with darts, too... and of course the salamanders/razordons will join in

It's hard to make this kind of list fit points-wise at levels higher than 1.5K but lower than 3K, since in that range with only 3 units of terradons they'd have to be Really big units!

Thoughts?

would be totally and utterly badass to look at,


and probably suck enormously in a game


GO FOR IT!

Solo flying ethereal slann? Could really add something.

It's a very nieat idea but I'm wondering how you actually get units to break and run. You're relying on terradons and skinks to pepper the enemy with rocks & bowfire. Things that have high LD with a BSB are going to be very hard to destroy an entire unit or cause enough casualites to panic and get off the table. Salamanders are very good but if I was on the other side of the table they would be my first priority to eliminate as they are by far your biggest threat.

An ethereal slaan will give it a boost. What might fit your theme better is to get ~2 stegodons for some punch (i'd loose the razordons).

Would you maybe want a skink chief BSB on a terradon too? Does a second hand weapon actually do anything when you're mounted? I didn't think so, though I could be wrong.

This would be amazing to look at. There was a player here in Texas that did a Wood Elf Avatar themed army for Cap City Carnage. It was pretty incredible.

I think if you were looking to be a little more competitive, a flying Slann might go a long ways towards helping out. I'm sure it could be modeled to work, though I don't really know Avatar all that well.

I thought about upgrading the skink chief to be a BSB, I wasn't sure how much it would help since I believe he'll only have a 12" bubble, but I should probably find the points for it.

You're probably right about the AHW, I'll check on that!

Sounds like an ethereal slann is the consensus choice to boost the power level of the list. My only hesitation with that is I was trying to avoid a slann (since every lizzie list will have one now) and I feel like it gives the enemy a big target to take down- and only one. I know he can be pretty tough, but RZ's bat rep where he took down a slann on the first shot makes me nervous . Since without one, the enemy will have to earn points through fairly cheap skink and terradon units (and fully kill them off to get the points).

Do you have any pics of that army, Red_Zeke?

Also, I was thinking to avoid stegadons for the same reason as the slann, and even though there were large creatures like that in Avatar, I don't think they fit the look/feel as well as the salamanders and razordons.

Cheers for the thoughts, guys! In the end I would probably get a slann to use for more competitive games, although I'm not sure how I'd model a fat toad to fit in with the sleek flyers

I took a couple pictures, but have to imagine better ones exist somewhere.

These are zoomable in my Dakka gallery page (under CCC Miscellaneous), but still aren't great. But here they are:



And one of the (very intimidating) great eagle.



RZ

Okay, that's just crazy . If I'm able to find enough of the alternate terradon models, my theme would be "death from above" since they're basically a skeleton... rather than actually painted up in the Avatar scheme. But that is so impressive!!!

Was that an 8th ed army, and are all the bush-looking things treekin?

Ri: Due to base size i'd say they are dryads.
Also, the guy's got taste, note the ultraforge treewoman in the center



OT: Will make breaking units very hard, however, you will sail through against beasty armies like ogres, or mino/monster heavy beastmen.

I love it. But where to hell is Tiq Taq To and Regular stegs would fit the list as well to be those rhino thingys from the movie

Hell yea, stegadons make everything better.
Note: Personal feelings.

Sounds like we're talking about butter

Tiq Taq To is a perfect fit! But he suffers from three things:

A) A really stupid name
B) A super high points cost!
C) An unusual special rule that would be very useful for a combat unit... but not so much for flying things that can get where they want to go (and don't want to get too close) anyway.

The rhino things in the movie rocked, btw but not as much as that crazy jaguar! Rawr! It was vicious!

RiTides wrote:
B) A super high points cost!

Seriously. I don't understand this about the Lizard book. There's all these competitively priced regular selections, and then you hit the special characters, and most seem overpriced by a factor of 1.5x-2x. Kind of bewildering...

RiTides wrote:The rhino things in the movie rocked, btw but not as much as that crazy jaguar! Rawr! It was vicious!

Carnisaur FTW?

Red_Zeke wrote:

RiTides wrote:
B) A super high points cost!

Seriously. I don't understand this about the Lizard book. There's all these competitively priced regular selections, and then you hit the special characters, and most seem overpriced by a factor of 1.5x-2x. Kind of bewildering...

Indeed. Tictacto and the Temple Guard one are like 300 points right? RIDICULOUS!

I've heard Chakax (the temple guard character) is actually pretty good. Tiqtaqto... not so much :-/

Will post a pic of the model I'm planning to use over in my P&M blog once I get several assembled, hopefully with the bloodbowl skinks on top . I'm going ahead with these for a small 500 point warband, and then we'll see about the large host later!

Chachax love him so much.

Also I want to agree with the carnosaur idea, not so much the model as the panther thing but using the rules of one and finding a model that would work.

RiTides wrote:I've heard Chakax (the temple guard character) is actually pretty good.

Alright for 15 points shy of 350. What does Chakax do?

-His stats are exactly the same as a scar-vet. Pretty lame for his cost
-Has a Great Weapon that makes MWs mundane(when he is attacked) and reveals magic items in a unit he hits. Kind of neat, but not great.
-He must issue and never decline challenges. He thinks he is a WoC character.
-He re-rolls to hit, gets a +5 ward, and makes the enemy ASL(so going simo with his GW, then) in a challenge only.Alright, he is relying on his +4 scaly skin when out of challenges?
-If he joins a unit of Temple Guard with a slann, the unit is Unbreakable(What? Stubborn Cold-blooded Ld9(or 10) with BSB re-rolls not close enough to being actually Unbreakable for you?) and the unit re-rolls Look-out sirs(Slann are not exactly 100% reliant on that +2 roll. They have cheaper alternatives that they can use).

There are tons of a hell of a lot better things that you could add to your Lizardmen army for 335 Points. Hell, even a Slann with 2 Disciplines is 10 points less and tons better!

Yeah... he's expensive for what he does. It's a shame, because I think a lot of the lizards characters are actually quite interesting. Oxyotl? Dude snuck his way back out of the Realm of Chaos. How BA is that?

I'm reconsidering this idea, but it does seem like the only way to make it viable would be to add in a slann on arabyan carpet.

Here's one scary build for him:

Slann- BSB, Arabyan Carpet, Cupped Hands, 545 Points
Focused Rumination (+1 dice to casts)
Becalming Cogitation (enemy wizard discards 6's)
Higher State of Consciousness (can only be hurt by magical attacks)
Unfathomable Presence (MR3, giving him a 2+ ward vs magical attacks)

Dam those disciplines have cool names . So he'd be a flying, 2+ ward vs. magic, only can be hurt by magic caster of doom... but with only 4 spells! I couldn't find a discipline to drop... but somehow I need to get another spell at least in there (perhaps dropping cupped hands for plaque of tepok? )

Another thing I'm wondering about, is are the skinks best run as small poison-dart shooting annoyance units in this list? Or would it be better to try to make a block of them (for steadfast?)

A block doesn't seem viable, so the small units may be the only way to go... also gives me trouble trying to make it more competitive, because adding a counter-charge unit just gives my opponent something decent to shoot at (with things that will otherwise pretty much have nothing to target, other than salamanders/razordons).

It's late, but the list could look like:

Slann (as above)- 545
Skink Priest, Lvl 2, Cloak of Feathers, Dispel Scroll- 150
Skink Chief, LA, Charmed Shield, Sword of the Hornet, Potion of Strength, Terradon- 137

756 points of skinks

7 Terradons (skink chief goes here)- 210
5 x 3 terradons- 450
6 Salamanders, 4 Razordons- 750

Total- 2998

It may look weak to you, but an uber-ethereal slann + masses of skinks, dons & sallies is perhaps the best army in the game. Having played against it (though the 'better' version has a couple banners on saurus blocks, and as many camo skinks as fit) I can attest to its power and its capacity for irritation - avoidancehammer sucked in 7th, and it's still frustrating as hell in 8th.

A more functional comment, what lore are you using on the slann? If you take Life you don't need the cupped balls, unless you're out to ruin the other guy's day a little harder

- Salvage

Isn't there a magic item that improves the ward to 2+ vs. ranged? Maybe that competes with the carpet. Or now that I think about it, you're probably already maxed on points for magic items.

The lore question is a really good one. I'm pondering it, and just don't know... If armor's a problem, would metal be a good call? Heavens would certainly be appropriate for a flying army, but isn't really a world beater.

What matches Avatar (haven't seen it)? Life?

Here are some slann builds I came up with, but I hadn't checked back here and seen Salvage's comment about not taking Cupped Hands if using Life magic. Life would definitely match the Avatar theme best, but for some reason I'd been leaning towards taking Shadow. The last 2 builds were made with that in mind, and planning to swap places with the skink priest using that nifty ability that you get after successfully casting a lore of shadow spell .

Also, I faced a lizardmen player with slann and chameleon skinks this past week... and it was an absolute bear to play. I can see how that really is one of the strongest builds (although with a solid block or 2 included most likely). At this point, I am going to do the little 500 point warband of this army (already got all the I need for it!) and see how I feel after that . Also, you're right RZ in that the 2+ ward vs ranged attacks takes the same slot as the carpet / etc. The Obsidian Amulet gives an ethereal slann the same ability for the same cost, but in a different category

Anyway, slann builds:

Slann, BSB, Arabyan carpet, Cupped Hands- 545
Becalming
Focused Rum
Higher State
Unfathomable

Slann, BSB, Arabyan carpet, Obsidian amulet, Plaque of tepok- 545
Becalming
Focused Rum
Higher State
Soul of Stone or Transcendent Healing

Slann, BSB, Cupped Hands, Obsidian amulet, Potion of toughness (or potion of speed & banner of swiftness)- 545
Becalming
Focused Rum
Higher State
Focus of Mystery

Slann, BSB, Cupped Hands, Healing Potion, Lichebone Pendant- 545
Becalming
Focused Rum
Higher State
Focus of Mystery

I have to say, I'm very impressed with the effect of knowing all the lore in 8th, so I think the Focus of Mystery builds are attractive, though neither has you sailing around on a carpet, which is too bad but still ok.

On the second one, I don't know that there's any reason to take Transcendent Healing. Regen and ward don't stack anymore (to the disappointment of plaguebearers everywhere).

Tentatively, I'd say the third?

#2 for me, but I gotta tweak:

Slann - BSB, Arabyan carpet, dragonbane gem, lichebone pennant - ???
Becalming
Focused Rum
Higher State
Mystery

Don't remember the points on the obsidian amulet, but: keeps the carpet, drops the 5th spell plaque to know all 7 spells, downgrades to MR(1), and has a 2+ ward vs a vast majority of magical artillery pieces (i.e. dwarfs & TK) that will be gunning for him (until they're melted by poison).

Probably comes out cheaper too ...

OH, speaking of Avatar: on HBO like now!

- Salvage

I need to check my rulebook on the dragonbane gem, but that sounds like a winner! I do want to keep the carpet in there so that looks good

Also, we almost watched Avatar just now, too, but it was only on the latin HBO channel for some reason (in spanish)

Excellent call on dragonbane gem, Boss. That's a great combo.