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I have posted this subject once already and i got to this:

MAGNUS THE RED .......Pts

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
7 7 6(7-10) 7 6 6 3(4-7) 10 2+/2++


Special Rules: Monstrous creature, Changelings aura, Deamonic anchor
Wargear: The gaze of Tzeentch, Deamon weapon (name?)

Changelings aura: When ever a model wounds Magnus in close combat (even if he makes his save) roll a dice, on a 1 that model is turned into a chaos spawn.

Deamonic anchor: Any unit of Tzeentch unit with a model within 6" of Magnus the Red has its invulnerable saves increased by 1 (5+ becomes 4+ for example) to a maximum of 3+.

The gaze of Tzeentch: Tzeentch always keeps a careful eye on his favorite minions, Magus has the Warp time power constantly, it is always in effect and cannot be taken away.

Deamon weapon (name?): The Tzeentch demon bound within feed off Magnus' psychic energy, in return Magnus can also draw strength from the deamon.
For every psychic power cast Magnus gains an extra attack and a +1 S modifier until the start of his next turn.

Master of forbidden lore: Magnus may cast D3+1 psychic powers a game turn (some of his energies are required to feed the demon and keep up the aura)
(Note - with the demon weapon this mean he has 4-7 attacks at strength 7-10, depending on how may powers he gets.)
Magnus can cast any power in the chaos codex with out needing to pass a psychic test.
Magnus has had 10'000 years to learn all he can about psychic powers and as such can cast ANY psychic power from any other codex, however his mastery of these powers are not total and a Psychic test is required.

So watcha think? anything to add/remove?

I think a 2+ Invulnerable Save might be a bit overpowered but since it's a Primarch, it can be easily overlooked.

Well, it seems you have tried to make him impossible to kill.
You have also turned someone who should be using powers into a combat monster, which magnus was not.

So, after all of the over powered rules he can still be taken out of the game via instant death.

Well these were not made by me, they were the latest post for the first time (hard to explain). But just to make sure, did you understand the statlines?

I have no problems understanding the stats.
It is however those that make no sens ein game-wise terms.

Why would an ancient caster like magnus suddenly become a beast in combat?
He is more like ahriman in terms of usage.

Angron would be an example of a combat beast, since its what he does.
Magnus however, is nothing like him.

So lower combat stats and increase psychic powers?
Any ideas how?

sabooftw wrote:I think a 2+ Invulnerable Save might be a bit overpowered but since it's a Primarch, it can be easily overlooked.

the best part is that he can cast fortune to re-roll that save

sabooftw wrote:I think a 2+ Invulnerable Save might be a bit overpowered but since it's a Primarch, it can be easily overlooked.

I agree. Maybe 4+ but 3+ in combat?

Oh yeah! Well i guess i could lower the inv. save to 3+, in that case...

Devastator wrote:

sabooftw wrote:I think a 2+ Invulnerable Save might be a bit overpowered but since it's a Primarch, it can be easily overlooked.

the best part is that he can cast fortune to re-roll that save

Haha I never thought we would get to the point where we have re-rollable 2++ saves!

SNAKE EYES! its happened, trust meh

sadly... same here
So we could lower the inv. to 3+

You've made him substantially better in assault than Angron.

There are other 10 thousand year old pskyers who are more psychically powerful than any human (or human creation). Magnus should not be more powerful than they.

BUT he's from the legion of the greatest psykers, he's chosen of the tzeench (among many others) AND he's a primarch, all combined = A great psyker


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And downgrading his CC skills would be a good thing

Valkyrie wrote:

Devastator wrote:

sabooftw wrote:I think a 2+ Invulnerable Save might be a bit overpowered but since it's a Primarch, it can be easily overlooked.

the best part is that he can cast fortune to re-roll that save

Haha I never thought we would get to the point where we have re-rollable 2++ saves!

wait for the horrors solon will unleash

heavy 25 railguns

I agree with making him a little less powerful in combat, though people ahve to remember he is a primarch and nothing should be able to face him without him having the upper hand, i would of though rather then having beasty combat stats he should have a power that he can use in and out of combat to reduce the stats of every enemy around him to weaker then he is, thus a change, which is the way of tzeentch.


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Hang fire a sec, why should he be any weaker in combat? he is a chosen Daemon prince primarch? possibly the most discusting abomination of ultraness to exist xD

goggari wrote:BUT he's from the legion of the greatest psykers,

I don't know about that, Ahriman isn't even a psyker, you know.

DarknessEternal, Psyker - Sorcerer, pretty much the same thing
thelordoflife, Any ideas how?


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And he has WS7, no damn CC god...

About the ability to reduce those around yous stats, you roll a dice for each enemy unit with in 6" you then add the roll to your LD and your oponent rolls the same and adds to his LD if your score rolls equal to or higher then your oponents, he has succumb to the psycic power of magnus and his stats are all reduced to half what they currently are, thus making this ability not too OP because you can always score lower then your oponent


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By His i mean your oponents of course

Now thats just great! Btw, what about psychic hoods? Could he turn their power against their user or just ignore them?


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Forgot! How about other sorcerers/psykers of the army?

I would actaully like a sort of "aura of change".
Say roll a d6 for everyone within 12" at the start of your shooting phase (everything lasts until your next movement phase)

1-2: Nothing happens
3: Non-tzeentch units lose 1S and count as moving through difficult terrain next movement phase. Tzeentch models instead ignore all terrain.
4: Non-tzeentch units suffer a -3ld de-buff and have their Initative during assualt downed to 1. Tzeentch units instead auto-passes their Psychic Tests and have their weapon skill increased by 1.
5: Each non-tzeentch model have to pass a toughness test at the end of each turn or suffer a wound. Tzeentch models instead get +1 to their invuls.
6: The unit gets +2 Strength. Each non-tzeentch model instantly suffers a wound (with armour, but not cover saves allowed) and also gain the rage special rule.
Tzeentch models also gain an attack.


Just completly random and might not make sense.

Thats gonna be damn mean to the enemy . It would have to replace Changelings aura.
Awesome!