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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 18:52:39
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/01/nasa.worker.layoffs/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Shuttle layoffs leave some workers adrift
By John Couwels, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
The layoffs went ahead despite Congress' approval of NASA's $19 billion budget
Many NASA workers, like John Bundy, haven't updated their résumé in decades
Bundy, whose last day was Friday, is taking welding classes at a community college
Kennedy Space Center, Florida (CNN) -- After 31 years and two months at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, John Bundy is joining the ranks of the unemployed.
He showed up for his last day at 7 a.m. Friday, turned in his employee badge and then left to go hunting.
"I'm very proud I was a part of this," he said. "There were some challenging times, but I am glad I was part of this team."
He is one of more than 1,200 United Space Alliance employees whose were laid off October 1: coincidentally, the same day NASA began operating in 1958.
Bundy, 50, started his career as a technician on the shuttle thermal protection system and then worked his way up to manager for Kennedy Space Center's orbital processing facility.
Now, he's updating his résumé and taking welding classes at Brevard Community College in hopes of finding another job.
"I don't know how to put 31 years into a sentence," Bundy said.
McGinnis and the others who walked out the door of the Kennedy Space Center on Friday are some of the nearly 9,000 NASA employees whose jobs will be cut as the shuttle program nears its end.
Some of those jobs may be extended if President Obama signs the $19 billion budget for the space agency, passed by Congress this week, that authorizes an additional shuttle launch.
Congress passes NASA budget
But the extension comes too late for Bundy and the other United Space Alliance employees.
The ending came as no surprise: Six years ago, President George W. Bush announced that 2010 would be the last year for the shuttle program.
Because many NASA workers like Bundy have specialized jobs, it will be hard to transition from the space agency to other employment.
With the help of federal funding, Florida has set up a transitional program to help aerospace workers prepare for new employment.
Read more coverage from CNN affiliate WKMG
Many of the NASA employees seeking employment help are "like deer in the headlights," said Lisa Rice, president of Brevard Workforce, which runs the federally funded aerospace transitional program.
"First reaction: 'Where do I go? What do I do?' " she said, describing NASA employees' responses after being laid off.
Job loss, Rice explains, is kind of like a grieving process. With the help of the transitional program, aerospace employees are lead through the process of résumé writing, sharpening interviewing techniques and developing skills needed for new jobs.
Many Kennedy Space Center workers, like Bundy, have not written a résumé for more than 30 years. Transitional instructors teach workers how to include decades of experience into a one- or two-page résumé.
"You need to have a plan B," said transitional program director Judy Blanchard. "The shuttle is retiring, and the end is inevitable."
Boeing aerospace engineer Juan Vazquez took the warning to heart, having worked on shuttles for 23 years.
This year, he opened two laundromats that he runs in his spare time. To ensure that he would succeed as a small-business owner, Vazquez completed the transitional program's entrepreneur training class.
"I grew up on shuttle. I've been working on shuttle since I was 18 years old," Vazquez said. "I pretty much live and breathe this stuff. I really enjoy what I do."
Other shuttle workers have had a hard time coming to terms with the idea that there is no definite replacement for shuttle, according to Rice.
When Bush announced that the shuttle program would end in 2010, he said it would be replaced by the Constellation program to return man to the moon and beyond.
Many shuttle workers held out hope that they could find new jobs in the Constellation program, which would have included two new rocket systems and a new crew module to transport astronauts into space.
From the beginning, Constellation was plagued by underfunding.This year, Obama killed the program's future funding because of budget overruns and because it was behind schedule.
That could affect more than 20,000 workers along Florida's space coast, according to Rice.
"We are looking at 9,000 aerospace workers who will be affected with another 14,000 indirectly affected in community," she said.
For Bundy, walking away from Kennedy Space Center was not as hard as he thought, he said Friday morning. He praised United Space Alliance for going "above and beyond to help their people adjust, from job placement to constant job fairs."
But it's more about just losing a job, he explained.
"I have a lot of friends, a lot of teammates," Bundy said. "I wish them all the best, and I'm going to miss them all."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 02:48:56
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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[MOD]
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Damn shame, we all knew this was coming but no one in DC had enough foresight to fund a replacement.
No worries the CHinese program is picking up nicely...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 02:56:07
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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WTF Frazz? I thought you of all people would be happy about this. Government laying off workers to save some tax bucks. Giving the space exploration off to the private sector, it's like a right leaning wet dream(he he he).
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 07:20:13
Subject: Re:More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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You would think that the government would supply some kind off... help, but i guess the workers did have multiple years to prepare for this.. still sad though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 07:25:01
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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"With the help of federal funding, Florida has set up a transitional program to help aerospace workers prepare for new employment."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 07:25:05
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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I'm pretty sure they'll be able to get well paying jobs after this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 08:04:27
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Master Tormentor
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Took long enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 15:39:07
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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Does this mean the US will be following the British program of space exploration? - 3 middle aged men in a shed with some of last years fireworks and a soda bottle. Very sad though, redundancies are never good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 16:04:13
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Boo.
The Space Program should be expanded, not cut. Personally I think it's o.e of America's greatest achievements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 17:59:50
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Monster Rain wrote:Boo.
The Space Program should be expanded, not cut. Personally I think it's o.e of America's greatest achievements.
Repeated cost overuns.
Lack of focus (golf on the moon anyone?).
2nd in space is still second.
To be fair lack of focus and funding stems from successive governments failures but stikll...NASA haven't really helped themselves though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/02 18:47:51
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Monster Rain wrote:Boo.
The Space Program should be expanded, not cut. Personally I think it's o.e of America's greatest achievements.
If we're going to expand it, we need to go back to the days of bootstrapping astronauts to decomissioned ICBMs, instead of the stupidly expensive "cheaper alternative" that was the shuttle program.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 22:44:33
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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That's what they were trying to do with Constellation.
But anyway, cutting NASA fundinf is foolish. It take up such a small chunk of the budget that no amount of austerity will matter.
Cut military procurement, and social security. Commit political suicide, and save the country all in one go!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 22:52:07
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Fixture of Dakka
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I don't really care about NASA. Now someone else will have to make our Tang.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 23:20:52
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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"Cut military procurement, and social security. Commit political suicide, and save the country all in one go!"
yeah then the guy right behind you will bring it back so why bother.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 23:31:27
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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I doubt it. He'll certainly run on that premise, but it is exceedingly rare for the individual measures of one politician to be overturned by another one.
Given the state of the budget, the alternative is to raise taxes (which will probably happen anyway), so there isn't much opportunity there; especially given that likely voters tend to be wealthier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 00:49:54
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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The real pity is that we haven't been able/willing to replicate the feat they were using 1960's technology for. As much as I tend to roll my eyes at "The Greatest Generation", I can't help but think that they actually *did gak* to be proud of. My father's generation I'm not so sure of.
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I'm not like them, but I can pretend.
Observations on complex unit wound allocation: If you're feeling screwed, your opponent is probably doing it right. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 01:11:54
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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yeah but did you hear NASA's new budget? Awesome! And we're gonna have a heavy lift rocket too!
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-09/congress-passes-nasa-bill-new-heavy-lift-rocket-more-commercial-spaceflight-and-mandate-mars
Oh, and on a slightly random note, to people who have the attitude toward space exploration of "It's up there but we don't need to know about it", I give two responses:
1.Will you think the same way if an asteroid is coming our way?
2. What if the Europeans had thought this way about North America 100's of years ago? Things would be strange, yes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 01:19:17
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well this just makes all our sci-fi movies a tiny biy redundant (for the time being)
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"There's a difference between bein' a smartboy and bein' a smart git, Gimzod." - Rogue Skwadron, the Big Push
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 02:04:41
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Master Tormentor
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As a slight clarification, I think a healthy space program's probably one of the most important things we can fund. Mars colonies, etc. are vital to spreading out our species so we can't self annihilate as efficiently.
However, NASA is hardly healthy. It's horribly inefficient, wed to several programs of doubtful use (see: shuttle), and is pretty much just there to piss off the USSR. The best route would be to scrap the whole thing and start over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 02:28:33
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Fixture of Dakka
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GalacticDefender wrote:
1.Will you think the same way if an asteroid is coming our way?
2. What if the Europeans had thought this way about North America 100's of years ago? Things would be strange, yes?
1. We're screwed anyway. Regardless, "having NASA" isn't an auto-win vs. giant asteroid, and we don't need NASA to have basic asteroid patrol. One is stupidly big and a wate of time IMO, while the other could be small and makes sense.
2. They didn't and that has nothing to do with what we're discussing. For all we know they could have turned out better or the human race could share a language and be under population control (i.e. not popping out babies when orphanages are full). What makes you think that history being different is bad exactly?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 03:03:43
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Nigel Stillman
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I don't see this as such a terrible thing.
Sure it sucks for the people getting laid off but all of United States has been feeling the pain recently. IMO the money that was axed from NASA can do more good else ware.
More manned trips to the moon are unnecessary IMO, there is nothing left to do up there.
The same holds true for manned flights to mars. No reason has yet been given that can justify the immense cost associated with such a venture.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 03:14:59
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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1-UP wrote:The real pity is that we haven't been able/willing to replicate the feat they were using 1960's technology for. As much as I tend to roll my eyes at "The Greatest Generation", I can't help but think that they actually *did gak* to be proud of. My father's generation I'm not so sure of.
We haven' tried to go back because theres nothing there. Nothing is hidden and very little science remains to be done there. It's surface is more heavily mapped then the earths.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 06:22:42
Subject: More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Laughing Man wrote:As a slight clarification, I think a healthy space program's probably one of the most important things we can fund. Mars colonies, etc. are vital to spreading out our species so we can't self annihilate as efficiently.
However, NASA is hardly healthy. It's horribly inefficient, wed to several programs of doubtful use (see: shuttle), and is pretty much just there to piss off the USSR. The best route would be to scrap the whole thing and start over.
I am not convinced that scrapping the world's largest concentration of space technology expertise is the best way to improve space technology.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 15:24:30
Subject: Re:More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well so much for getting a decent paying job in Central Florida for the next 5 years.
GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 15:42:04
Subject: Re:More than 1,200 NASA workers were laid off Friday because of the shuttle program's end
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Murray wrote:You would think that the government would supply some kind off... help, but i guess the workers did have multiple years to prepare for this.. still sad though.
The people that worked directly for NASA and most of the subcontractors have had transitional assistance for their workers. However, some of the sub-contractors didn't offer assitance until their employees were actually laid off.
I have 5 good friends that work for NASA or subcontractors. 1 was laid off, 1 chose to leave, and 3 are still employed at Johnson Space Center in Houston. They all saw it coming and prepared to be let go. Polished their resumes, made sure that they had training in areas besides their current role so that they'd be (1) more attractive to other companies or (2) more valueable to NASA.
As a NASA employee or sub-contractor, if you were truely blindsided by this, you were either in denial or had a department manager feeding you crap.
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